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      05-18-2014, 11:30 PM   #463
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Have you owned an M3 with DCT? what are your thoughts regarding MCT in C63?
I have owned both... the MCT in the C63 is decent but no where near as responsive as the DCT. The biggest difference is immediate downshifts with the DCT whereas the MCT kind of does it when it feels like it
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      05-19-2014, 09:33 AM   #464
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I was poking around on the mbworld forums to check out the hype around the w205 model (which I'd very much consider if it were out now). Seems like the biggest gripes with the w205 are:

Steering column shifter (seen in spy shots but not confirmed)
Staggered tire widths are 8" and 9"
4.0 not sounding nearly as good as the 6.3...big shocker there
No fender flares
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Looks too similar to CLA

This is all just speculation of course
It won't look like the CLA because it will have an A-wing front splitter, just like the E63 and S63 coupe. It has different taillights than the CLA.

The tire width information is completely erroneous. Someone did a terrible job faking a W205 C63 order guide (the car isn't even going to be released until September) and "leaked" it. AMG released a statement on the Private Lounge confirming that it was fraudulent.

The gear selector will be on the center console (just like the E63 AMG has it there despite the standard E having it on the column).

Panoramic glass roof is optional, if offered. This would be an option for the coupe.
Good to know. Are you waiting for the new c63 or did you cave and order a F8X
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Have you owned an M3 with DCT? what are your thoughts regarding MCT in C63?
I have owned both... the MCT in the C63 is decent but no where near as responsive as the DCT. The biggest difference is immediate downshifts with the DCT whereas the MCT kind of does it when it feels like it
Does it ruin the driving experience or is it good enough?
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Does it ruin the driving experience or is it good enough?
Good for the street. Not good enough for the track. If you never track the car, then I would not let MCT or DCT make the decision. If you do, I would avoid the MCT. I sold mine because it wasn't responsive enough and overheated at the track. If I never tracked my cars I would have been perfectly happy with it. Outside of the MCT in a track environment, the C63 is stellar.

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Good for the street. Not good enough for the track. If you never track the car, then I would not let MCT or DCT make the decision. If you do, I would avoid the MCT. I sold mine because it wasn't responsive enough and overheated at the track. If I never tracked my cars I would have been perfectly happy with it. Outside of the MCT in a track environment, the C63 is stellar.
The MCT overheating problems seem to be hit or miss but you're right, there are definitely other owners that have experienced what you went through.

Interestingly enough, AMG recently announced a cooling upgrade that can be retrofitted to the MCT cars. Basically, the kit consists of the Black Series cooling setup.

Personally, I think I'm going to skip it. My late '13 model seems to run about 20-30 degrees cooler than some of the older MCT-equipped cars.
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      05-23-2014, 03:00 PM   #468
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Who cares if its M or AMG, both are great cars and there is no such thing is one better than the other. Even if it is it certainly doesnt make you better. Love M cars but always have respect for other brands and models and will pull the trigger on either, once they are available for test drive and probably 2 or 3 years down the road when most of the bugs are resolved
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Who cares if its M or AMG, both are great cars and there is no such thing is one better than the other. Even if it is it certainly doesnt make you better. Love M cars but always have respect for other brands and models and will pull the trigger on either, once they are available for test drive and probably 2 or 3 years down the road when most of the bugs are resolved
Well said. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make. No need for someone to tear down another car just to justify his or her decision.
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I respect both vehicles and I can't wait to get behind the wheel of the m4 and soon to be released 2015 C63. Also let's not forget the Lexus RC-F
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Agreed.. It's a good time to be an enthusiast!
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      05-25-2014, 03:56 PM   #472
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Now I am thinking that maybe I should give C63 507 edition a shot. I can always buy the M4 later. HMMMM, decisions decisions.
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You do know the C63 beat the e92 M3 around the ring? I love both cars but you may not be up to date on Mercedes.

There is also a little known form of racing called F1, I hear Mercedes are somewhat competitive this yr.
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You do know the C63 beat the e92 M3 around the ring? I love both cars but you may not be up to date on Mercedes.

There is also a little known form of racing called F1, I hear Mercedes are somewhat competitive this yr.
people will be in for a shock with the next Gen C63 AMG. i already see it coming.

I am really wondering how that new Trubo V8 AMG engine will sound.
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people will be in for a shock with the next Gen C63 AMG. i already see it coming.

I am really wondering how that new Trubo V8 AMG engine will sound.
Having had an 09 C63 I do think there is a good chance of a breakthrough car. But that car will need to be lighter and it will need a better transmission than the outgoing car. I think the engine has great promise.
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A lot lighter. And 50/50 F/R weight balance. And responsive chassis. And...
A bunch of stuff hard to reconcile with a heavy V8.
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You do know the C63 beat the e92 M3 around the ring? I love both cars but you may not be up to date on Mercedes.

There is also a little known form of racing called F1, I hear Mercedes are somewhat competitive this yr.

I test drove the C63 AMG (not the 507 edition). Honestly it was nice, fast, but still felt a little heavy when taking it into corners, and this was on a highway. The BMW feels like more of a drivers car (E92 M3). I can't really comment on the M4 since I have yet to drive one.

My comment about Mercedes and trains was suppose to be a joke .

Please tell me more about this thing called F1, I've heard they've developed the technology to take both right and left turns?
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people will be in for a shock with the next Gen C63 AMG. i already see it coming.

I am really wondering how that new Trubo V8 AMG engine will sound.
I thought turbos ruin the sound.... this is what I read in the bitchfest about the S55. But, hey, Mercedes will solve that with the turbo V8, 500+ hp, lighter, cheaper, better handling, sportier car that sounds better. If only we had bought the true M3 years ago.... oh wait, I did.
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people will be in for a shock with the next Gen C63 AMG. i already see it coming.

I am really wondering how that new Trubo V8 AMG engine will sound.
I'm shocked already about how ugly it is. The performance may be there but I think the new design is way too soft...they're going to have to make some drastic changes to AMG model to convince me.
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I thought turbos ruin the sound.... this is what I read in the bitchfest about the S55. But, hey, Mercedes will solve that with the turbo V8, 500+ hp, lighter, cheaper, better handling, sportier car that sounds better. If only we had bought the true M3 years ago.... oh wait, I did.
It does ruin the sound. Even BMW will tell you its harder to get "noise" out of these cars. which is why they play sound in the speakers.

I think the F80 guys need to understand that there are people out there that care about sound AND performance. But saying the F80 is faster than the E92, therefore you need to buy it is silly.


but it seems the only way to get a good sounding, powerful engine these day is to buy either a muslce car or a Corvette. the corvette might be a idea, but if they can make the C63 AMG sound decent. its worth checking out. Even guys on the AMG forums will tell you the current 6.2L will sound better than the new turbo V8. AMG turbo engines sound better than most turbo engine i have heard.

Germany took a hit in the sound department. cars are fast as shit though!
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M4 vs next C63 AMG (510hp/650nm) ?

MB just presented their new V8 engine. For future cars like GT, next C63 and future Aston Martins.


AMG M178 V8
Design: V8 'hot V' configuration with two fixed vane single-scroll turbos, water to air intercoolers, direct piezo injection, dry sumped*, four-valve/twin-cam cylinder heads with variable cam timing on inlet and exhaust
Bore and stroke: 83x92mm
Cubic capacity: 3,982cc
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Power (hp): 510@6,250rpm*
Torque (lb ft): 479@1,750-4,750rpm*
Max revs: 7,200rpm
Weight: 209kg
*As fitted to the Mercedes-AMG GT



More info: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=30143
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Nice specs. If they offered a manual or true dual clutch I would be seriously interested. Unlike many others I like the styling of the new C class.
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Seriously, are there engineers leaving BMW and going to AMG (or vice versa) or is there some type of corporate espionage going on? Eerily similar engine concepts to S63 and S55, but does seem like Merc is one upping on content with keeping a V8 in C63.
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