VTT GC equipped S55 runs 9.62@149...

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

VTT S55 GC domination continues. Another stock motor S55 GC car in the 9's (That's SIX), and a built motor car sets a new GC record. 9.62@149... Still waiting for another turbo manufacturer to even get one stock motor S55 in the 9's... Tick Tock... Of course Cary Jordan on the tune. Nice work Jeners Nieves and all the Bimmer PR team! Setting the bar high! #VTT #VTTFAMILY #VTTDOMINATION #GAMECHANGERS

[MJ6]

Notable achievement!

But is "tick tock" in reference to how long the turbo will last before it fails, or the fact that other manufacturers don't have anything to prove by being more concerned with reliability and longevity over that of setting records?

[M2C_OZ]

Congrats guys, and its true i still havent seen other manufacturers run 9's
👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽

[M2C_OZ]

Originally Posted by MJ6

Notable achievement!

But is "tick tock" in reference to how long the turbo will last before it fails, or the fact that other manufacturers don't have anything to prove by being more concerned with reliability and longevity over that of setting records?

You wanna set records and actually drive hard then yeah things are gonna break at some point. Smh

[Wanted_M]

That's moving, nice job and congrats to all involved.

[TopJimmy]

Nice job! This is why I bought Vargas!

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by MJ6

Notable achievement!

But is "tick tock" in reference to how long the turbo will last before it fails, or the fact that other manufacturers don't have anything to prove by being more concerned with reliability and longevity over that of setting records?

Yep, they're leaning on them hard. Just like everyone does when you set a record -that's what competition is. The simple fact is that no one else has turbos on a stock motor going 9's. We now have 6 cars. That's not a one time flash in the pan. Best value on the market.

Originally Posted by M2C_OZ

You wanna set records and actually drive hard then yeah things are gonna break at some point. Smh

Exactly. No one is thinking a 9.62 is on 87 octane and stock boost. Car is properly prepped, clearly great attention to detail, and yep, some holy water in the cooling system. That's how records are broken!

Chris

[M4XS55]

Originally Posted by MJ6

Notable achievement!

But is "tick tock" in reference to how long the turbo will last before it fails, or the fact that other manufacturers don't have anything to prove by being more concerned with reliability and longevity over that of setting records?

With all due respect, I don’t think VTT mentioning records set by VTT customers equates to being less concerned with reliability and longevity. All turbo manufacturers have had failures so I’m not sure what the criteria is to determine a company’s level of concern. After researching aftermarket turbo options for quite a while, I don’t see any reason to believe S55 GC turbos are any less reliable than other aftermarket options out there and from what I have read and experienced, Chris has always shown concern for his products and customers.

As far as having something to prove, all turbo manufacturers have promoted their achievements of higher power and lower times: Vbox, Dragy, drag strip, or dyno. That is the point of obtaining and/or posting a time slip or dyno chart - it’s the proof used for the countless manufacturers or customers trying to prove something.

So why the hate?

When all of the fastest stock motor cars were running hybrids, that manufacturer openly promoted it and good for them - they earned the right to promote it. Now it’s VTT’s turn.

[MJ6]

Originally Posted by M4XS55

As far as having something to prove, all turbo manufacturers have promoted their achievements of higher power and lower times: Vbox, Dragy, drag strip, or dyno. That is the point of obtaining and/or posting a time slip or dyno chart - it’s the proof used for the countless manufacturers or customers trying to prove something.

So why the hate?

When all of the fastest stock motor cars were running hybrids, that manufacturer openly promoted it and good for them - they earned the right to promote it. Now it’s VTT’s turn.

It's not hate, far from it; I respect VTT as a company that's brought both healthy competition and resourceful products to the F8x platform. In this case it's more a matter of professionalism.

Touting your achievements is one thing, but belittling and attempting to throw shade at other vendors as a marketing strategy in order to promote and sell your products is another entirely:

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

Still waiting for another turbo manufacturer to even get one stock motor S55 in the 9's... Tick Tock...

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

If you want a lot of lag, and the same power potential for more money, the PS2+ is what you want.

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

If you overlay our graphs with some Ball Bearing upgrades currently found on the market you will see our units spool better, and hold similar power up top for 1/3rd of the price.

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

If people want to buy your upgrade based on dyno numbers that is their choice, but please do not to try to sell them in a thread about our properly priced S55 turbo upgrades breaking actual real-world records on the track.

Never yet have I witnessed any other vendor go to such heights (or stoop to such lows) in order to advance their products. Chris does an admirable job by defusing situations and providing solutions in many cases, however it also appears that Tony's perchance for crassness and distasteful marketing tactics persist.

I'm sure as a company VTT is no doubt quite successful, but with an image refresh and competent PR they could likely be even more so.

Just my 2￠ for all it's worth.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by MJ6

It's not hate, far from it; I respect VTT as a company that's brought both healthy competition and resourceful products to the F8x platform. In this case it's more a matter of professionalism.

Touting your achievements is one thing, but belittling and attempting to throw shade at other vendors as a marketing strategy in order to promote and sell your products is another entirely:


Never yet have I witnessed any other vendor go to such heights (or stoop to such lows) in order to advance their products. Chris does an admirable job by defusing situations and providing solutions in many cases, however it also appears that Tony's perchance for crassness and distasteful marketing tactics persist.

I'm sure as a company VTT is no doubt quite successful, but with an image refresh and competent PR they could likely be even more so.

Just my 2￠ for all it's worth.

Never have you witnessed any other company? You must be walking around with your eyes closed... If calling out other manufactures is unprofessional and belittling. Someone get Ford on the line, or Dodge, or Chevy, or Ferrari, or Porsche, or Audi. Big Auto calls each out ALL THE TIME, and not always in a nice way. Dodge just put a logo of a T-Rex eating a raptor on its new TRX which is a direct Ford Raptor competitor. So let me guess Dodge should be scolded for belittling Ford. They made a truck with more power, and more features, but they should not brag about it, or talk about it at all. Shame on you Dodge... It's called COMPETITON, we're not friends were competitors. So yes, we are STILL the only company with not only 1, but 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Stock S55's in the 9's. Tick Tock to the other guys...

[MJ6]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

Never have you witnessed any other company?....It's called COMPETITON

If you'll notice, I used the word "vendor", in this case meant to denote the focus of this particular forum being that of the F8x platform.

I've absolutely seen Dodge, BMW, Audi, even Tesla engage in competitive tactics, and this is purely due to the nature of the industry. However, this is a forum of enthusiasts; sure there are various vendors on here that sell many of the same parts, but the difference is that they all exist to support and promote a particular niche of the car community.

When is the last time you witnessed Pure belittle your turbos?
Kratos out and out goad you for not having a vehicle that's achieved the 1k whp mark?
Has SSR or Maximum PSI ever harassed you over the design or your Spline Lock hub fix?
What about the multitude of other sponsored vendors on this forum who sell any number of similar products, do they participate in the practice of throwing each other under the bus in an attempt to increase their market share?

The only vendor I see doing such is VTT, and as I've witnessed on other forums it appears to be Tony's MO.

By all means promote your company; let your success and products speak for themselves and you'll garner a true and loyal following. But if you find the need to discredit other companies in order to sell your wares, don't be surprised when your companies quality and character are brought into question.

You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

[fiveohwblow]

Witness a SJW in the automotive scene. Step riiiiiight up.



SIGH.

[MJ6]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Witness a SJW in the automotive scene. Step riiiiiight up.



SIGH.

Lol, far from it. Just get tired of seeing VTT tooting their own horn given the exceptionally "colorful" history of their their owner and products. But hey, if you want to condone such behavior by all means do so.

I just call it as I see it.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by MJ6

Lol, far from it. Just get tired of seeing VTT tooting their own horn given their exceptionally "colorful" history. But hey, if you want to condone such a company by all means do so.

I just call it as I see it.

As have I. Since the dawn of time if two men were in a room, even more so in a competitive fashion, shit talking commenced. It’s what we do. No amount of “please be nicer” or virtue signaling will eradicate it. I do condone companies poking at each other as it forces the competition of free market. It’s one thing I’d they are out of line, but “tick tock” bothers you? Bet you’re the life of the party.

[MJ6]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

As have I. Since the dawn of time if two men were in a room, even more so in a competitive fashion, shit talking commenced. It's what we do. No amount of "please be nicer" or virtue signaling will eradicate it. I do condone companies poking at each other as it forces the competition of free market. It's one thing I'd they are out of line, but "tick tock" bothers you? Bet you're the life of the party.

I've been known to be, lol
Again though, perhaps I'm projecting a character trait that I wish was more common in this day and age, so in that context I suppose it could be considered "virtue signaling" which wasn't my intention.
I'm all for the occasional ribbing and shit talking, don't get me wrong, and it's not just about the "tick rock" commentary. When you witness someone (or in this case a company) constantly having to build up their image by claiming to one up someone else when no one has directly presented them with a challenge, one begins to question their integrity and self confidence.

If you have to tell people how bad-ass you are in order to believe it yourself, how bad-ass are you really?

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by MJ6

I've been known to be, lol
Again though, perhaps I'm projecting a character trait that I wish was more common in this day and age, so in that context I suppose it could be considered "virtue signaling" which wasn't my intention.
I'm all for the occasional ribbing and shit talking, don't get me wrong, and it's not just about the "tick rock" commentary. When you witness someone (or in this case a company) constantly having to build up their image by claiming to one up someone else when no one has directly presented them with a challenge, one begins to question their integrity and self confidence.

If you have to tell people how bad-ass you are in order to believe it yourself, how bad-ass are you really?

LOL thanks for being a sport and I see your point. I would say, not in disagreement but in honest fashion, how have you derived the conclusion they are building themselves up by destroying another? I have surely not read every post so I could be missing something, but their MO doesn’t say as much to me. Maybe that’s where my perception of a stretch is coming from.

[TopJimmy]

Create your own thread if you want to complain.

One of our boys got into the nines for the first time, and another made fastest time on a certain platform. Both are solid accomplishments.

Let's get the thread back on track.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Great job guys!!

[MJ6]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Create your own thread if you want to complain.

One of our boys got into the nines for the first time, and another made fastest time on a certain platform. Both are solid accomplishments.

Let's get the thread back on track.

Indeed.
Awesome accomplishment regardless; my apologies for derailing the thread.

I think I'll go have some Irish coffee and enjoy the rest of my morning