Coby Wheel
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > BMW M3 (F80) and BMW M4 (F82) General Forum

View Poll Results: Will You be Upgrading?
Yes, I'm excited for the new M3/4 25 6.76%
No, I don't plan to upgrade/plan to move to another car/brand 277 74.86%
Maybe, I will need to think about it and have some seat time. 68 18.38%
Voters: 370. You may not vote on this poll

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-27-2020, 01:24 AM   #155
gemini.m3
Major
gemini.m3's Avatar
1496
Rep
1,297
Posts

Drives: 2022 M3 xDrive comp
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Miami, FL

iTrader: (8)

Probably not. I was going to get into an m2 cs but realized just buying out my lease st half the price of the m2 with only 8k miles would be the smarter choice..

So my plans right now since I’m not a huge fan of the direction BMW is going, is to hold onto my f80, pay it off as quickly as I can in 3 years.. so I can always keep what I consider one of the best m3s and have the flexibility for a newer car, maybe from a diff brand in 3 years.

F80 m3 and cayman 718 gt4 in the garage sound like keepers...
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2020, 06:08 AM   #156
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaMMM View Post
Looks like they've borrowed from the American playbook to make sure this happens.

G8X has more front track than a GT350R or ZL1 1LE. More rear track than the 1LE by 0.6".

In combination with wider tires, (maybe) updated Pilot Sport 4S spec, improved dampers, believe the rwd G8X base or comp will take care of a base or comp F8X by some margin.

On anything other than big speed tracks, awd will widen the gap.

But we're talking one lap pace. GT63 S has incredible one lap pace, but tires wouldn't last the day at advanced pace. 4,000+ lbs. G8X might fall into this space of one lap magazine heroes. Hard enough to manage GTS tires over a session, 500 lbs. lighter.
Don't forget that the G8X is also offered with optional PSC2 in many regions. Sticky track tires from the factory is also in the GT350 and 1LE playbook.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 1
FormulaMMM3662.50
      09-27-2020, 06:10 AM   #157
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesGames View Post
The AWD at this power level probably helps a lot to lower the lap times by being able to put the power down early. The M5 / E63 remind me of what the AWD system can do for heavy / high powered cars. We shall see..
It depends on the type of track and driver experience. Except for very tight technical courses, AWD usualy hampers more than it helps lap times for seasoned track drivers. Intelligent AWD will however help mask mistakes from less talented drivers.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black

Last edited by CanAutM3; 09-27-2020 at 06:21 AM..
Appreciate 1
JamesGames1326.00
      09-27-2020, 06:14 AM   #158
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by StanislavK82 View Post
I'm wondering if the roof is the same story. In one of the videos I recall them saying there is a structural element under the cf...or in other words carbon over the standard roof. I hope I'm wrong though.
There always is bracing under the roof skin, CF or steel. On the F8X, that bracing was also made of CFRP to further save weight.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 1
      09-27-2020, 08:37 AM   #159
FormulaMMM
Brigadier General
FormulaMMM's Avatar
United_States
3663
Rep
3,422
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
It depends on the type of track and driver experience. Except for very tight technical courses, AWD usualy hampers more than it helps lap times for seasoned track drivers. Intelligent AWD will however help mask mistakes from less talented drivers.
Can't recall if you've had the new M5 on track. Believe M xDrive will achieve gains on most tracks I've driven, with a couple of exceptions, maybe. Coming out of hairpins, slower speed chicanes, constant or decreasing radius corners, etc. sense is it's a game changer. Allows full throttle considerably earlier than with F8X gen.

It will be an assist for less experienced drivers, but also for advanced drivers who will be able to get on the power from mid-corner and exploit a "slight drift" to maximum track out.

This bit of marketing from M is an accurate description of how it feels on corner exit.

When accelerating out of a bend, M xDrive successively puts more and more torque on the front axle when it detects decreasing lateral acceleration. At that moment, it becomes possible to transmit the longitudinal forces without understeering. This occurs so gradually that it’s possible to exit the bend with a slight drift, as one would expect from an M automobile. It feels as if you are coming out of the curve in a controlled catapult.

In defense of old school M rwd and diff hope I'm overestimating gains, and the weight penalty helps the rwd platform claw some back.
__________________
M4 GTS, GT3, C63 S | E90 M3s, E39 M5

Appreciate 0
      09-27-2020, 09:54 AM   #160
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21105
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaMMM View Post
Can't recall if you've had the new M5 on track. Believe M xDrive will achieve gains on most tracks I've driven, with a couple of exceptions, maybe. Coming out of hairpins, slower speed chicanes, constant or decreasing radius corners, etc. sense is it's a game changer. Allows full throttle considerably earlier than with F8X gen.

It will be an assist for less experienced drivers, but also for advanced drivers who will be able to get on the power from mid-corner and exploit a "slight drift" to maximum track out.

This bit of marketing from M is an accurate description of how it feels on corner exit.

When accelerating out of a bend, M xDrive successively puts more and more torque on the front axle when it detects decreasing lateral acceleration. At that moment, it becomes possible to transmit the longitudinal forces without understeering. This occurs so gradually that it’s possible to exit the bend with a slight drift, as one would expect from an M automobile. It feels as if you are coming out of the curve in a controlled catapult.

In defense of old school M rwd and diff hope I'm overestimating gains, and the weight penalty helps the rwd platform claw some back.
Yes, I was lucky enough to drive an F90 M5 on track for multiple sessions. I honestly did not feel the AWD was an advantage. Coming out of corners, if more power is applied when driving near the limit, it does send power to the front wheels, which transitions the car into understeer (that was in 4WD-Sport and MDM, not my car, so I did not run DSC off). With my F8X, I can get nice on power corner exit rotation, something I struggled to do with the M5. Further, the argument in the BMW marketing text you quote is a bit contratictory, if the car does not send power to front wheels until they steered straight, there's little traction advantage to be had over a RWD . The AWD on the 992 C4 I drove on the same day seemed better tuned in that respect. That being said, the AWD on the M5 was way better than any AWD Audi I've driven on track. Hopefully the G8X's AWD tuning will be even better than the M5.

Another important point, as I posted in the G8X weight thread, the G8X carries 200lb of its ~300lb extra pounds over the F8X on the front axle. The addition of 100~150lb from the AWD system will mostly be on that front axle too. That's a lot of work for the front tires, added weight plus traction duty, which does not bode well for handling balance.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black

Last edited by CanAutM3; 09-27-2020 at 02:57 PM..
Appreciate 0
      09-27-2020, 01:59 PM   #161
FormulaMMM
Brigadier General
FormulaMMM's Avatar
United_States
3663
Rep
3,422
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
Yes, I was lucky enough to drive an F90 M5 on track for multiple sessions. I honestly did not feel the AWD was an advantage. Coming out of corners, if more power is applied when driving near the limit, it does send power to the front wheels, which transitions the car into understeer (that was in 4WD-Sport and MDM, not my car, so I did not run DSC off). With my F8X, I can get nice on power corner exit rotation, something I struggled to do with the M5. The AWD on the 992 C4 I drove on the same day seemed better tuned in that respect. That being said, the AWD on the M5 was way better than any AWD Audi I've driven on track. Hopefully the G8X's AWD tuning will be even better than the M5.

Another important point, as I posted in the G8X weight thread, the G8X carries 200lb of its ~300lb extra pounds over the F8X on the front axle. The addition of ~100lb will mostly be on that front axle too. That's a lot of work for the front tires, added weight plus traction duty, which does not bode well for handling balance.
Okay, we had different takes. Perhaps due to DSC. I was 4WD sport DSC off. Offered a shot at 2WD DSC off, but politely declined on that...

Soon as front wheels aimed at track out, on the gas, no sense of understeer. More like a smooth rotation and catapult effect as M describes. Zero drama. awd active before front wheels were straight.

Hope I get a chance to test the G8X system as well, but thinking I'll need to line up another donor. Haven't made a deposit.

200# is a chunk, sheesh.
__________________
M4 GTS, GT3, C63 S | E90 M3s, E39 M5

Appreciate 1
CanAutM321104.50
      09-28-2020, 09:32 PM   #162
kyrix1st
Colonel
kyrix1st's Avatar
2351
Rep
2,359
Posts

Drives: G87 M2; E92M3 MT&DCT; M3 euro
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: nyc

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2004 BMW Z4  [0.00]
Not to incite personal attacks, but the current M CEO is a guy who talks about investment values when he introduces M2 CS, possibly the most exciting bmw M car since 2014. We need someone like Albert Biermann of Hyundai N or Andres Preuninger of Porsche GT at the helm.
__________________
Pass me if you can.
Appreciate 2
CanAutM321104.50
stein_325i25051.00
      09-28-2020, 11:56 PM   #163
ABenLauda
Second Lieutenant
ABenLauda's Avatar
United_States
369
Rep
280
Posts

Drives: 2020 M4 CS
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Dallas, TX

iTrader: (0)

Hard pass. Nothing on the G8x excites me. My M4CS will be my last BMW. Will be upgrading to a Porsche GT car when my current lease expires.
__________________
[SOLD] 2020 ///M4 CS
Appreciate 0
      09-29-2020, 06:50 AM   #164
FormulaMMM
Brigadier General
FormulaMMM's Avatar
United_States
3663
Rep
3,422
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Midwest

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyrix1st View Post
Not to incite personal attacks, but the current M CEO is a guy who talks about investment values when he introduces M2 CS, possibly the most exciting bmw M car since 2014. We need someone like Albert Biermann of Hyundai N or Andres Preuninger of Porsche GT at the helm.
Missed this -- investment values??
__________________
M4 GTS, GT3, C63 S | E90 M3s, E39 M5

Appreciate 0
      09-29-2020, 11:10 AM   #165
Jim B
Wingman
Jim B's Avatar
1854
Rep
1,882
Posts

Drives: 2022 BMW M4 Manual
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Sacramento, CA

iTrader: (0)

I'm not sure, but if BMWNA brings in the G31 M3 wagon with 6MT, that would probably be the tipping point. I'd would probably go for that in a minute.
Appreciate 0
      09-29-2020, 01:51 PM   #166
stein_325i
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
stein_325i's Avatar
No_Country
25051
Rep
8,761
Posts

Drives: A Car
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: All-Around

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim B View Post
I'm not sure, but if BMWNA brings in the G31 M3 wagon with 6MT, that would probably be the tipping point. I'd would probably go for that in a minute.
The possibility of that is pretty much zero, especially with a 6MT.
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:30 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST