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      05-14-2018, 05:29 PM   #1
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So my 15' M4 DCT lease is ending in about a month. The residual value is pretty high but I am looking to hopefully negotiate it down to around 40-45k which is also my budget.

I have loved the M4 and it was my first real fun car. I daily drive it in LA traffic. My commute is about an hour drive each way. I also take it occasionally to canyon drives on the weekend and I have been to a few track days. I have however, been longing for a new and different experience.

I don't need rear seats or much practicality since I am on my own. So a two seater would be perfectly fine. The M4 in terms of power is amazing but I definitely want a lighter and more nimble car.

The ND miata has caught my eye because of the price and the rave reviews. I know I am considering two completely different cars right now but this would be a different experience for me that I have been looking for. There aren't many sports cars on the market as light as the miata. It has kind of a carefree attitude going for it which is what is appealing to me. There's no other car that kind of competes with it besides maybe a BRZ which i'm not a huge fan of. Was never a huge fan of the looks of older gen mx5's but the new ND and especially the RF is great IMO.

I know there will be a difference between power but I am curious to see how much I will miss that power. The M4 was a perfect DD and I am a bit worried at the fact that driving a manual every day for my commute might suck but because of the light clutch it might not be so bad.

I have yet to drive the ND miata, but I have driven an NA. The NA was definitely a fun and raw experience but I was extremely underwhelmed by the power which is not a surprise. I'm hoping the ND will be sufficient enough for me.

I've looked into a few other cars such as the cayman and the M2. As far as the cayman goes, it's amazing but my dad owns a 981 which he let's me borrow pretty often so it wouldn't be a hugely new experience. I am also looking for a new or lightly used CPO and it's also pretty difficult to find one under 40k thats a 2015+.

Anyway, just want to get some of your guys thoughts on the ND!

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So my 15' M4 DCT lease is ending in about a month. The residual value is pretty high but I am looking to hopefully negotiate it down to around 40-45k which is also my budget.

I have loved the M4 and it was my first real fun car. I daily drive it in LA traffic. My commute is about an hour drive each way. I also take it occasionally to canyon drives on the weekend and I have been to a few track days. I have however, been longing for a new and different experience.

I don't need rear seats or much practicality since I am on my own. So a two seater would be perfectly fine. The M4 in terms of power is amazing but I definitely want a lighter and more nimble car.

The ND miata has caught my eye because of the price and the rave reviews. I know I am considering two completely different cars right now but this would be a different experience for me that I have been looking for. There aren't many sports cars on the market as light as the miata. It has kind of a carefree attitude going for it which is what is appealing to me. There's no other car that kind of competes with it besides maybe a BRZ which i'm not a huge fan of.

I know there will be a difference between power but I am curious to see how much I will miss that power. The M4 was a perfect DD and I am a bit worried at the fact that driving a manual every day for my commute might suck but because of the light clutch it might not be so bad.

I have yet to drive the ND miata, but I have driven an NA. The NA was definitely a fun and raw experience but I was extremely underwhelmed by the power which is not a surprise. I'm hoping the ND will be sufficient enough for me.

I've looked into a few other cars such as the cayman and the M2. As far as the cayman goes, it's amazing but my dad owns a 981 which he let's me borrow pretty often so it wouldn't be a hugely new experience. I am also looking for a new or lightly used CPO and it's also pretty difficult to find one under 40k thats a 2015+.

Anyway, just want to get some of your guys thoughts on the ND!
Have you considered the soon to be launched Z4?
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Have you considered the soon to be launched Z4?


Yes! this is pretty appealing to me! As well as the upcoming Supra. But there aren't any confirmed price or performance figures as far as I know. Any update on this?
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Yes! this is pretty appealing to me! As well as the upcoming Supra. But there aren't any confirmed price or performance figures as far as I know. Any update on this?
I'm guessing the same 4.0i engine as the 440i with 320hp and an MSRP if aprox 50k maybe
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The 6cyl e89 z4 were closer to $60k

OP, sounds like it's mostly a street car. You'll notice and be disappointed

I'd get an s2k or modded nc Miata so at least you'll have the cost savings to make yourself feel better

Btw I have an NA 1.8 spec Miata and really enjoy it, but that's because its mostly track and canyons. I get annoyed with the lack of power
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I think for a daily, you can't go wrong with a PDK 987.2 Boxster if you don't want a manual. Otherwise, if you're looking for roadsters, maybe look into an MR2 Spyder and the Honda S2000. The ND is definitely a quick car with a lot of creature comforts, with a light clutch, so I think you could definitely live with it. They should also have a hill start feature which will lock the brakes on inclines so you don't roll back when engaging the clutch from a dead stop.

Also, have you thought about the mid 2000's Z4 with the 3.0? They might be pretty engaging.
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have you considered an f33? Great for autox
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Yes! this is pretty appealing to me! As well as the upcoming Supra. But there aren't any confirmed price or performance figures as far as I know. Any update on this?
For some reason the Supra looks better to me than the shark attack. Probably in price as well if one was to consider both.
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For some reason the Supra looks better to me than the shark attack. Probably in price as well if one was to consider both.
Yeah me too. Also the Supra has all that heritage to go with it
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2004 to 2007 Z4’s are practically free these days, I got one for $7.5k that I trash like there’s no tomorrow. Less than $15k for a pristine example.

Or a Z4M, a big step up, raw, magnificent, for around $25k. Values are on the up so you’d be driving a free car for a few years essentially.
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OP, I think you will be much happier with an AP2 (2004-2008) Honda S2000 if you are looking into the Miata. I got to spend some hours with a Miata with a 6MT. I can tell you, the only thing that will come close to the feel of the damn-near close to perfect shifter is the Honda S2000's. If the Miata had some juice (either the engine from the Mazdaspeed 3 or a high-revving 4 banger) it would be different, but with the power it has, after the honeymoon phase, I think you are going to want out....way the hell out.
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They're bumping the power of the NDs for 2019 (or is it 18). Either way, they'll get a power bump soon which will help immensely.
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Do we know how that new ND engine will respond to the usual I/h/e mods? Older one was not bad

+1 on s2k but good luck finding a clean one
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I'm in an M3 and every time I test drive an MX-5 (Miata) I think, I could give up the power for this lightness. The body roll isn't ideal, but for the money, it's a great car. Eager to see the new Z4/Supra, too. Oh, since we're comparing all, the Tesla Model 3 Performance is also on my list to watch, and, while we're at it, the Taycan. But yes, I think that Miata would still be fun. As a daily, could you live with the manual transmission? It feels like the only option in that car, in Club Spec.
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I'm in an M3 and every time I test drive an MX-5 (Miata) I think, I could give up the power for this lightness. The body roll isn't ideal, but for the money, it's a great car. Eager to see the new Z4/Supra, too. Oh, since we're comparing all, the Tesla Model 3 Performance is also on my list to watch, and, while we're at it, the Taycan. But yes, I think that Miata would still be fun. As a daily, could you live with the manual transmission? It feels like the only option in that car, in Club Spec.
Yeah I would only consider the ND in a manual. I test drove it and I feel that I might be alright in daily driving because the clutch is light. I'm still not so sure because im in hour long traffic twice everyday and there are quite a few hills. Plus i'm not super experienced driving a manual since I never owned one.
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I'm in an M3 and every time I test drive an MX-5 (Miata) I think, I could give up the power for this lightness. The body roll isn't ideal, but for the money, it's a great car. Eager to see the new Z4/Supra, too. Oh, since we're comparing all, the Tesla Model 3 Performance is also on my list to watch, and, while we're at it, the Taycan. But yes, I think that Miata would still be fun. As a daily, could you live with the manual transmission? It feels like the only option in that car, in Club Spec.
I think jury is still out on whether to get the club package or spend the money on aftermarket parts.

You'll need to plan to modify and be realistic about how you use the car

From my experience, the closer the car is to track only usage and full competition prep, the happier you'll be. The more street usage the more chances you will curse the lack of power
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I'm in an M3 and every time I test drive an MX-5 (Miata) I think, I could give up the power for this lightness. The body roll isn't ideal, but for the money, it's a great car. Eager to see the new Z4/Supra, too. Oh, since we're comparing all, the Tesla Model 3 Performance is also on my list to watch, and, while we're at it, the Taycan. But yes, I think that Miata would still be fun. As a daily, could you live with the manual transmission? It feels like the only option in that car, in Club Spec.
I think jury is still out on whether to get the club package or spend the money on aftermarket parts.

You'll need to plan to modify and be realistic about how you use the car

From my experience, the closer the car is to track only usage and full competition prep, the happier you'll be. The more street usage the more chances you will curse the lack of power
I think you'll be fine, learning to handle manual, in a Miata. Traffic may be tedious.

True on mods. Then again, if primarily used for track use, lots of other options that may not require roll bars and suspension etc., out of the box.
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I think you'll be fine, learning to handle manual, in a Miata. Traffic may be tedious.

True on mods. Then again, if primarily used for track use, lots of other options that may not require roll bars and suspension etc., out of the box.
I drive my spec Miata to and from the track (I'm working on a competition license and am not doing W2W this year) so I'm not talking hypothetically.

It's pretty slow in a straight line and I wouldn't be happy with it as my daily and only car.

Maybe the added power in nc or nd would cure that annoyance for some, but I really love hp for street cars so I couldn't do a Miata for anything but a very track focused car
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A Miata is the most fun you can have in a car while going the speed limit. Nothing else new compares at regular speeds.

Totally agree and on a track like Lime Rock that favors cornering speed and momentum, rather than horsepower and acceleration, they can put down very competitive lap times.
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