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View Poll Results: Will Donald Trump be Impeached or will this blowback on Biden
Orange Trump bad. Trump gone. 83 32.17%
Trump Trump-umphant. 88 34.11%
Inclusive 18 6.98%
Biden C4'd to oblivion. 75 29.07%
Biden grows in strength and gets shot in the arm for nomination. 10 3.88%
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      12-07-2019, 03:38 AM   #3895
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And AMAZINGLY, you have level-headed discussions on the meat of any particular political issue.
Nice of you to say, I appreciate it.

I'm with you 100% that a very large part of our current political problems are centered around the "team" or "tribal" nature of our two parties. The "other" guys losing is more important that doing what's best for the country.
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      12-07-2019, 08:11 AM   #3897
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I really don't understand why some do not want to admit they are backing Dems.

Maybe they are not but just anti-Trump?

Anti-Trump is not at all equivalent to pro-Democrats.

Some of the staunchest conservatives I know despise Trump.
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      12-07-2019, 08:13 AM   #3898
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I think they have come to realize that nothing makes sense at this point, so all they do is to hate the man because he is rich and they are not.

And just when I was starting to think you were level-headed and reasonable....
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      12-07-2019, 08:14 AM   #3899
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Additionally, Bloomberg's wealth absolutely dwarfs Trump's.
Same for Steyer, right?

I dislike Steyer, but not because he's rich. I admit I don't know enough about Bloomberg to form an opinion.
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      12-07-2019, 08:19 AM   #3900
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I've got about 45 mins or so left of the hearings to watch, but the part that really put me back in my chair was Nadler's quote of Hamilton. I hope it hasn't already been posted, if so well here it is again if anyone missed it:

When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanor—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.
— Alexander Hamilton

you can watch it here:

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For me that really sums up why it's time to move on from Trump.

And by the way - As I understand it - Trump blocked all of the witnesses from testifying using his executive privilege - so in order for the witnesses to testify the dems have had to speed the initial proceedings up. Has nothing to do with the Dems wanting a fast impeachment as the Repubs have framed it.
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      12-07-2019, 08:21 AM   #3901
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Idk. But I do know Trump is POTUS. If he doesn't make the cut and Trump is reelected, well that's a spinning back fist to the ear that no amount of zeros will heal.
He won't even win the primary.
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Anti-Trump is not at all equivalent to pro-Democrats.

Some of the staunchest conservatives I know despise Trump.
Probably because he is neither a Republican nor a Conservative.
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The sooner you accept Trump, the sooner you'll start the healing process!
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      12-07-2019, 12:16 PM   #3904
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The sooner you accept Trump, the sooner you'll start the healing process!
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I've got about 45 mins or so left of the hearings to watch, but the part that really put me back in my chair was Nadler's quote of Hamilton. I hope it hasn't already been posted, if so well here it is again if anyone missed it:

When a man unprincipled in private, life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanor—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.
— Alexander Hamilton

you can watch it here:

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For me that really sums up why it's time to move on from Trump.

And by the way - As I understand it - Trump blocked all of the witnesses from testifying using his executive privilege - so in order for the witnesses to testify the dems have had to speed the initial proceedings up. Has nothing to do with the Dems wanting a fast impeachment as the Repubs have framed it.
If they want to hear those witnesses they would file a request in the courts which they have failed to do so.
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If they want to hear those witnesses they would file a request in the courts which they have failed to do so.
There already is one filed for one witness. Why file a ton more for the same thing? The one case will most likely settle it.
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      12-07-2019, 01:23 PM   #3907
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I've got about 45 mins or so left of the hearings to watch, but the part that really put me back in my chair was Nadler's quote of Hamilton. I hope it hasn't already been posted, if so well here it is again if anyone missed it:

When a man unprincipled in private, life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanor—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.
— Alexander Hamilton

you can watch it here:

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For me that really sums up why it's time to move on from Trump.

And by the way - As I understand it - Trump blocked all of the witnesses from testifying using his executive privilege - so in order for the witnesses to testify the dems have had to speed the initial proceedings up. Has nothing to do with the Dems wanting a fast impeachment as the Repubs have framed it.
If they want to hear those witnesses they would file a request in the courts which they have failed to do so.
I hate to hit you with this much logic but:

why not just let them testify? Who told them they can't? Especially if they will exonerate trump?
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I hate to hit you with this much logic but:

why not just let them testify? Who told them they can't? Especially if they will exonerate trump?
Same reason cops can't just search your car, they need a warrant and you have no reason or obligation to help them to accuse you of any crime.
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I hate to hit you with this much logic but:

why not just let them testify? Who told them they can't? Especially if they will exonerate trump?
Same reason cops can't just search your car, they need a warrant and you have no reason or obligation to help them to accuse you of any crime.
Obviously not close to the same thing. When Someone is accused of something, and they can have people come forward to clear them, they ALWAYS DO.
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Obviously not close to the same thing. When Someone is accused of something, and they can have people come forward to clear them, they ALWAYS DO.
In a normal case you have the right to face your accusser so when are the democrats going to bring the whistleblower for public questioning?
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Obviously not close to the same thing. When Someone is accused of something, and they can have people come forward to clear them, they ALWAYS DO.
In a normal case you have the right to face your accusser so when are the democrats going to bring the whistleblower for public questioning?
Again, not the same thing.
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For me that really sums up why it's time to move on from Trump.
Just leave the country and in 5 years he'll be gone Jan 21, 2025. Keep up with the fake news while you are gone on CNN TDS is a terrible disease
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Again, not the same thing.
why not, we have a set of standards to prosecute someone what makes this case any different from any other? Because it Trump and he hurt your feelings in 2016?
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Obviously not close to the same thing. When Someone is accused of something, and they can have people come forward to clear them, they ALWAYS DO.
Presumption of innocence. You don't have to prove yourself innocent, they have to prove you guilty.
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This shit is so backwards. Just listened to nadler spout off about how it needs to be bipartisan and universal or shouldn't be done because of detrement to the country, of course only when it pertained to his man Clinton.

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How stupid can Trump be?
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