BM3 Stg 2 OTS

[ToySnobs]

Hey guys ....

So I just got the Stg2 ots map flashed and I'm not
wowed by the power difference.

I am currently running VRSF: dp, mp and cai and was honestly expecting to feel a lot more power or at least feel a huge difference (I could be wrong)

1st and 2nd just sound extremely loud but it's not till 3rd where I can feel a possible difference in torque.

When I was stock - I felt to torque a lot more once letting off the gas I'm any gear at WOT.

Anyway - if you don't mind chiming in and either something is wrong or it is what it is.

Thanks in advanced
Will

[buster84]

Originally Posted by ToySnobs

Hey guys ....

So I just got the Stg2 ots map flashed and I'm not
wowed by the power difference.

I am currently running VRSF: dp, mp and cai and was honestly expecting to feel a lot more power or at least feel a huge difference (I could be wrong)

1st and 2nd just sound extremely loud but it's not till 3rd where I can feel a possible difference in torque.

When I was stock - I felt to torque a lot more once letting off the gas I'm any gear at WOT.

Anyway - if you don't mind chiming in and either something is wrong or it is what it is.

Thanks in advanced
Will

Post a log for help...

[TopJimmy]

Make sure torque reduction is set to off.

Make sure all other settings have a choice made.

Re-flash and try. Power should be night and day difference, especially in Sp+.

[300tour]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Make sure torque reduction is set to off.

Make sure all other settings have a choice made.

Re-flash and try. Power should be night and day difference, especially in Sp+.

What if the settings do not have a choice made? Doesn’t it refer back to OEM?
Thanks TJ.

[ToySnobs]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Make sure torque reduction is set to off.

Make sure all other settings have a choice made.

Re-flash and try. Power should be night and day difference, especially in Sp+.

Where do I find the torque reduction??

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by ToySnobs

Where do I find the torque reduction??

At the bottom

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by 300tour

What if the settings do not have a choice made? Doesn't it refer back to OEM?
Thanks TJ.

It should...but we've seen minor issues clear up by going through each choice.

There is a separate kind-of-bug on Custom E85 tunes where leaving no choice (OEM) on the HPFP causes sputter. You must choose Original because a Custom tune is not copied from OTS/OEM map.

[ToySnobs]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

At the bottom

So sorry and I'm not trying to be a pain ... at the bottom of mine only says boost reduction. Unless that's what you're referring too. Do you suggest any specific %s for each gears ???

[Redacre]

Originally Posted by ToySnobs

So sorry and I'm not trying to be a pain ... at the bottom of mine only says boost reduction. Unless that's what you're referring too. Do you suggest any specific %s for each gears ???

That's it. For me, it was an insane performance jump from stock to stage 1 and I was running 20-10% boost reduction in 1-2 to help mitigate traction loss while on the stock tire setup.

[horsepower_and_hounds]

There is very limited gain from stg 1 to stg 2...its like squeezing the juice out of the orange peel not the orange. If your expecting knock your socks off sex like with stock to stg 1 you better find a different girl

See chart:
Stock estimated at crank HP per BMW 425/406

Stage 1 93: up to 22%HP / 23%TQ 518/499
Stage 2 93: up to 24%HP / 26%TQ 527/511
Stage 2 E30: up to 26%HP / 26%TQ 535/511

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by horsepower_and_hounds

There is very limited gain from stg 1 to stg 2...its like squeezing the juice out of the orange peel not the orange. If your expecting knock your socks off sex like with stock to stg 1 you better find a different girl

See chart:
Stock estimated at crank HP per BMW 425/406

Stage 1 93: up to 22%HP / 23%TQ 518/499
Stage 2 93: up to 24%HP / 26%TQ 527/511
Stage 2 E30: up to 26%HP / 26%TQ 535/511

Exactly. Stg2 is a teeny bit more than Stg1 from pushing the hardware even more.

[ToySnobs]

Originally Posted by horsepower_and_hounds

There is very limited gain from stg 1 to stg 2...its like squeezing the juice out of the orange peel not the orange. If your expecting knock your socks off sex like with stock to stg 1 you better find a different girl

See chart:
Stock estimated at crank HP per BMW 425/406

Stage 1 93: up to 22%HP / 23%TQ 518/499
Stage 2 93: up to 24%HP / 26%TQ 527/511
Stage 2 E30: up to 26%HP / 26%TQ 535/511

Well I went from stock to stage2

[horsepower_and_hounds]

Originally Posted by ToySnobs

Well I went from stock to stage2

Then it should have felt like your first piece of ass You might have something going on....

You need to log some pulls

[TrueNorthM5]

I suspect , if you're leaving traction control on, traction control is just kicking in for gears 1 and 2. unless you roll into throttle, you will likely just spin with traction control off. So if your testing by just subjective means, the car won't feel any faster until >60mph/100kph.

Do objective testing, ie 1/4 mile trap speed, 60-130mph times, and you'll likely see a huge difference.

That said, I remember installing stage 1 and being blown away by how hard it pulls , but I always run TC OFF.

[ToySnobs]

Thank you all for chiming in - I'm headed to a shop to have them look at it in about 1 hour - I'll report back

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by ToySnobs

So sorry and I'm not trying to be a pain ... at the bottom of mine only says boost reduction. Unless that's what you're referring too. Do you suggest any specific %s for each gears ???

Here's my full set of settings for my Stg2 93 and E30 OTS:
Burbles off
Roar on
Max cooling off
Rev match (for stick) all 4 on
Cold start off
Cold start RPM OEM
EWG disable no
P-T Tmap OEM
Man Tmap OEM
Exhaust flaps open
Vmax off
Cat monitor OEM (I have cats, off if de-cat)
HPFP OEM (pick Original for Paul/Cary E85)
Boost by gear off (if you must, pick 20% for 1st gear, and 10% for 2nd gear)

Flash and then "reset adaptations" once (only this time). Check codes, if none go warm up and then log a manual run of just 4th gear from 40-135mph. Then log a manual 3-4-5 pull, same speeds as above but shifting at exactly 6200RPM.

[PhatLyfe]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Here's my full set of settings for my Stg2 93 and E30 OTS:
Burbles off
Roar on
Max cooling off
Rev match (for stick) all 4 on
Cold start off
Cold start RPM OEM
EWG disable no
P-T Tmap OEM
Man Tmap OEM
Exhaust flaps open
Vmax off
Cat monitor OEM (I have cats, off if de-cat)
HPFP OEM (pick Original for Paul/Cary E85)
Boost by gear off (if you must, pick 20% for 1st gear, and 10% for 2nd gear)

Flash and then "reset adaptations" once (only this time). Check codes, if none go warm up and then log a manual run of just 4th gear from 40-135mph. Then log a manual 3-4-5 pull, same speeds as above but shifting at exactly 6200RPM.

Just curious, why would you set off maximum cooling?

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by PhatLyfe

Just curious, why would you set off maximum cooling?

It's not "off"...it's just not "always on". You know when you go to Sport+ all the fans come on? Setting to ON would do this in all modes all the time. Our cars need to warm up to temperature quickly so the oil flows best. And, our cars cool really well, so no need to mess with unless you're in Dubai.

[joooiiiiii]

REPORT

[StepAsideButch]

BM3 OTS Stage 2 91 ACN.
ARM resonated DPs, VRSF midpipe.

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[TheMaster1971NL]

Originally Posted by ToySnobs

Thank you all for chiming in - I'm headed to a shop to have them look at it in about 1 hour - I'll report back

any news?

[EGbeater]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Here's my full set of settings for my Stg2 93 and E30 OTS:

...

Boost by gear off (if you must, pick 20% for 1st gear, and 10% for 2nd gear)

Can you please clarify why you recommend 20% for 1st, 10% for 2nd? (as opposed to 10% for 1st, 0% for 2nd and all higher gears, which is what I run)