This was probably an M-performance school car wasn't it? 2015 M3 at BMW dealership

[meteorain]

I found this 2015 M3 at my local dealership:
https://www.crownbmw.com/used/BMW/20...db4dbc81d9.htm

And kind of I'm going off information I found on this thread: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1403326

"2. Used car has around 5-7K on the odo.
3. Used car's CarFax states a leased car, and then shows the car was sold at a dealer auction and "Listed as a manufacturer vehicle" around the 5-7K mark.
4. DMV registration was in Woodcliff Lake, NJ. This is where BMW NA is located"

*The m3 I found was also registered as a Corporate fleet vehicle also in Woodcliff Lake, NJ.

*I asked the two salesmen about it - they both told me it leased by a BMW executive, that it wasn't a M driving school car and that all M driving school cars were crushed...similar to the information found in the previous thread.

I can't shake the feeling that they could be lying..It seems like a decent car, but it'd be nice to know if it was an M driving school car after all incase I decide to sell later on and need to explain the story to them.

Any thoughts?

[gatorfast]

It doesnt have carbon ceramics so doubt it was an M school car

[GitToDeChoppah]

Curious why it wouldn't be CPO though... Also, the ad says 35k miles, not 5-7k

[Aubie4Pres]

M driving school cars are not crushed. My local dealer (United BMW in Atlanta) gets most of them. A couple of years ago I was interested in an M4 and they let me know it was driving school car. Your dealer is lying, personally I would find someone else to work with.

Also, they wouldn't CPO the driving school cars but would exec cars.

[IDBGOD]

It's not a performance center car, just confirmed with the VIN. If that is the correct VIN. 1 owner.

No warranty left. Confirmed mileage last service, 34k and some change. For the 2015 first link you posted. June 2014 in service date.

[maniz]

"6 speed manual" and the car is a DCT. Always annoys the crap out of me...

OP, mileage is too high for an M-school car.

[meteorain]

Originally Posted by IDBGOD

It's not a performance center car, just confirmed with the VIN. If that is the correct VIN. 1 owner.

No warranty left. Confirmed mileage last service, 34k and some change. For the 2015 first link you posted. June 2014 in service date.

How can you tell by looking at the VIN?

[peeej]

Originally Posted by Aubie4Pres

M driving school cars are not crushed. My local dealer (United BMW in Atlanta) gets most of them. A couple of years ago I was interested in an M4 and they let me know it was driving school car. Your dealer is lying, personally I would find someone else to work with.

Also, they wouldn't CPO the driving school cars but would exec cars.

straight up, he said your dealer is lying

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

the woodcliff lake people drive all the new shit

[meteorain]

Originally Posted by GitToDeChoppah

Curious why it wouldn't be CPO though... Also, the ad says 35k miles, not 5-7k

That was a quote from that other forum thread stating that M performance cars would fall into the criteria of having 5-7k miles.

The ad says it has 35k miles, but the carfax said the original owner corporate-fleet leased it from 0-3,500~ miles...pretty near that 5-7k miles criteria.

[meteorain]

Originally Posted by peeej

straight up, he said your dealer is lying

Yea I thought that was pretty funny too.

[drexplode]

I've been to PCD many many times and their m3's usually have black 437s, dark interior and CCB. This car has neither... I would not assume it's a performance center car.

[meteorain]

Ok, so good chance this probably wasn't an M performance driving car based on what everyone is saying here.

I also asked the sales manager if it was today(3rd person at the dealership) - He said he had asked his area manager if was(from my last inquiry into this) and that it wasn't because it wasn't from Spartanburg, SC. I told him my suspicions about the car being a PCD car was that it was from Woodcliff Lake, NJ and he didn't really seem to know too much about that...I guess I don't either in all honesty :/. Anyways, I didn't really feel like probing too much further because at this point I was pretty sure it wasn't a PCD car based on the specs of it/what everyone is saying here.. and a part of me really just wanted to say fuck it and just buy the car too.

Anyways I took it in for a PPI at this Independent BMW shop/dealership near me and they found $1459 worth of bumper/undercarriage damage to the car(M badge on kidney grill had pieces missing too). It looks like some pretty bad scuffing...more than just normal wear and tear. Oil cooler was dented too by some concrete, but not leaking. Mechanically it was pretty sound. Hmm I thought used cars at the BMW dealership were supposed to be in better condition than that...maybe it's just the CPOs.

Upon leaving the shop, a sales guy had noticed my car and pointed out that there were some major paint swirls on the car too(rear left fender)...possibly from a bad buffing job. The paint was also "blurry/uneven" on the back right rear door as well. Originally, I couldn't really see it and just chalked it up to a dirty black car needing a car wash, but thank goodness he did... Although, I thought a standard PPI was supposed to check for external cosmetic issues as well. They don't, despite the front desk girl saying it was pretty in-depth/comprehensive when I asked it they checked for chips/scratches/if I can watch the mechanic do the PPI... Well I guess that's what you get for a $100 PPI...

Anyways, I took it back to the dealer expecting that they'd fix it up, but the sales manager I was dealing with seemed annoyed/unwilling to fix it/drop the price at all. I could deal with some dings/scratches on a used car - but heavy swirls, blurry repaints and heavy scuffing on the bottom quoted on a PPI that they agreed to? I don't think it's too unreasonable to expect them to take care of it/drop the price, but IDK. Oh well..I'm curious on what they'll say with the follow up call.

[peeej]

Originally Posted by meteorain

Ok, so good chance this probably wasn't an M performance driving car based on what everyone is saying here.

I also asked the sales manager if it was today(3rd person at the dealership) - He said he had asked his area manager if was(from my last inquiry into this) and that it wasn't because it wasn't from Spartanburg, SC. I told him my suspicions about the car being a PCD car was that it was from Woodcliff Lake, NJ and he didn't really seem to know too much about that...I guess I don't either in all honesty :/. Anyways, I didn't really feel like probing too much further because at this point I was pretty sure it wasn't a PCD car based on the specs of it/what everyone is saying here.. and a part of me really just wanted to say fuck it and just buy the car too.

Anyways I took it in for a PPI at this Independent BMW shop/dealership near me and they found $1459 worth of bumper/undercarriage damage to the car(M badge on kidney grill had pieces missing too). It looks like some pretty bad scuffing...more than just normal wear and tear. Oil cooler was dented too by some concrete, but not leaking. Mechanically it was pretty sound. Hmm I thought used cars at the BMW dealership were supposed to be in better condition than that...maybe it's just the CPOs.

Upon leaving the shop, a sales guy had noticed my car and pointed out that there were some major paint swirls on the car too(rear left fender)...possibly from a bad buffing job. The paint was also "blurry/uneven" on the back right rear door as well. Originally, I couldn't really see it and just chalked it up to a dirty black car needing a car wash, but thank goodness he did... Although, I thought a standard PPI was supposed to check for external cosmetic issues as well. They don't, despite the front desk girl saying it was pretty in-depth/comprehensive when I asked it they checked for chips/scratches/if I can watch the mechanic do the PPI... Well I guess that's what you get for a $100 PPI...

Anyways, I took it back to the dealer expecting that they'd fix it up, but the sales manager I was dealing with seemed annoyed/unwilling to fix it/drop the price at all. I could deal with some dings/scratches on a used car - but heavy swirls, blurry repaints and heavy scuffing on the bottom quoted on a PPI that they agreed to? I don't think it's too unreasonable to expect them to take care of it/drop the price, but IDK. Oh well..I'm curious on what they'll say with the follow up call.

based on this, op i'd have walked.

[meteorain]

Originally Posted by peeej

based on this, op i'd have walked.

Yea don't worry I'm long gone. I think it would have been a very decent price on it though if it weren't for the damage and poor paint job. 44.5k for 35k~ miles... local too. Oh well, back to the hunt

[marvinp]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

It doesnt have carbon ceramics so doubt it was an M school car

I went to the M Car Control in SF and those cars didn't have CCBs. So it's not always the case.

[IDBGOD]

Originally Posted by meteorain

How can you tell by looking at the VIN?

I have access to the DCS which is BMW NA's database.

Seems like you passed. Best of luck on your search for the next one.

[meteorain]

Originally Posted by IDBGOD

I have access to the DCS which is BMW NA's database.

Seems like you passed. Best of luck on your search for the next one.

Holy crap that's awesome thanks for that.

Yea, I might still go with this one depending on if they decide to fix the issue with the paint swirls on the car. If not, thanks for the well wishes.

[Ibiza]

FYI the BMW executive cars are usually for 6 months and then turned in (information 1st hand from a BMW NA employee).

[meteorain]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

FYI the BMW executive cars are usually for 6 months and then turned in (information 1st hand from a BMW NA employee).

What do they do with the Executive cars? Personal cars for the "executive" to and from work? Personal cars for the employees to drive around? Test drive cars for the customers? All of the above?

[IDBGOD]

Originally Posted by meteorain

What do they do with the Executive cars? Personal cars for the "executive" to and from work? Personal cars for the employees to drive around? Test drive cars for the customers? All of the above?

Executive/north american cars are usually cars driven for a short period and they are basically new vehicles. Miles can range but usually less than 10k. Never been titled you are first technical owner so you still get the remaining maintenance. Sometimes CPO'ed as well for extra warranty and generally well equipped.

Then there are service loaners which are generally under 5k miles and can be leased that are driven by customers as service loaners. Equipment varies, usually less than Exec level cars.

Could be all of the above as you described but generally those two categories. Main benefit to these cars is they can usually be had for much less than new, often offer more warranty (if CPO'ed depending on in service date) and BMW used to offer special financing generally for these vehicles (0.9% in the past, etc).

Can't really say I've ever seen an //M executive car though. I guess that depends on your dealership/region.