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S55 Blown Engine Failure *****UPDATE FROM BMWNA 9/28/15 *****

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Today, on this slightly hot California day, I write with good news.

For those of you following my story, you'll remember that almost a couple months ago (August 3) my car had catastrophic engine failure. BMW denied me warranty coverage and claimed an overrev caused the failure.

I started by fighting BMW's claim that the car was abused just from the nature of its location: a racetrack. However, I argued that the event was an untimed HPDE that should not void warranty coverage. I had the owner and manager of the school, and longtime racecar driver give me a written statement about the school and it's true nature. This got BMW to back down from their "competitive use" standpoint. However, they still argued that the engine failure was caused by an overrev.

This past Tuesday, on the 22 of September, I received a call about my car. After almost 2 months, BMW has decided to cover all the damage under warranty, which includes a new engine and labor, as well as cosmetic fixes to the rear bumper (possible respray due to massive backfire, 10ft flames). They called and said that the engine has been there since the claim was opened, so they should have it installed around 10 days from last Tuesday. I am not worried about having a Frankenstein car, if everything fits together and she still pulls like a motherf*cker, and drives on rails, I'll be happy .

I'd like to say thank you to the forum members who were helpful without being rude. Most of the comments were indeed helpful. I will note however, that as soon as the thread made it to the front page of Bimmerpost, there was a massive decline in the helpfulness of said comments.

Anyway, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and cannot wait to get my baby back!!!!!! It's been too long! I've been spending a lot of time on my motorcycle, which is a much more dangerous outlet for my adrenaline addiction lol, I need my car back before I end up splattered on the pavement.

Special thanks to those at BMWNA who took the time to help me with the matter, as well as the folks at BIR performance driving school.


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I have 15k miles on my engine, my car was delivered in December and shipped to California in February. I drove the car for about a month and a half when this happened:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...errerid=183543

After that, the car was repaired and had 8k healthy miles of uninterrupted fun and ownership. I just took the car on a road trip to Colorado, CA, and Yellowstone. I haven't had time to post about it but will soon. This sort of interrupted that...

This Monday there was a problem with my car and long story short there is a hole in the block somewhere. The engine died at around 50-70mph after having just accelerated from about 25-30, and now slowing for a corner at about 40. The car died, there was apparently a massive backfire (so I am told from some one behind me) and I pulled over. I never started the car after it shut itself off, let me first say that.

The car was towed into a nearby garage, with the fault code reading "Low coolant level. Possible engine damage. Scalding Hazard." We put coolant in the car, and when it took the entire gallon of coolant, we knew something was wrong. Checking under the car revealed no leaks so we suspected an internal leak. We drained the oil to see if that's where the coolant was going (lowest point, oil floats to the top of coolant) and sure enough the entire gallon of coolant was there. We suspected blown head gasket and had the car towed to a BMW dealership.

I got a call yesterday saying that there was catastrophic engine failure and there is a hole in the block somewhere. As fast as you pour coolant into the coolant box, it's coming out equally fast from the oil drain. This leads them to believe there is a hole in the block somewhere, in either cylinder 4 or 6. He said the spark plug on cyl. 4 is seized so they suspect that one.

I am completely stock, and BMW is saying (after the Data Dump they did) that the car was over revved at 7722 rpm at 152 mph. I had the car in Sport throttle setting, not Sport+. For those F8X savvy owners out there, or 6MT owners, you'll know that in Sport the car won't rev match if the selected gear will result in an over rev of the engine on the downshift. It will leave the rpms at 700 and make you wind the engine to meet the gear by grinding your clutch basically, but in that time your speed will have dropped and hopefully you will be within the rpms of that selected gear. Now, I never did that. I'm not stupid. The point that I'm making is that with Sport throttle setting, it is damn near impossible to over rev the engine unless you straight clutch dump at high speed to a lower gear. WHICH I DID NOT DO. Nor did I downshift to a gear that the car did not auto-rev match itself.

I need some person on my side to fight BMW with this. What sort of resources and right do I have as an owner. Please help guys. I can't pay for a 30k new engine.
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hows your oil cooler looking?
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hows your oil cooler looking?
normal I'm pretty sure. also, temp was around 235F. Just below the middle of the gauge. A little higher than normal under hard driving, but still well below danger temps of 300...
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Holy shit. I'm sorry for you, let's hope someone here has answers for you.
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sounds like a money shift.. bummer
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But were you doing 152 mph?
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But were you doing 152 mph?
Driving school. Well within acceptable use of the car.
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What was your speed when this happened?

Who did you go to for the info?
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Would it matter what speed this happened? Our cars should be able to handle this type of speed, but if your were running 152 at max rpm for 5min then that might be an issue which i doubt you did.

I just fight and complaint about it.
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What was your speed when this happened?

Who did you go to for the info?
I was doing about 60-70, was slowing for a corner, no power. Go to shift and rpms continue to drop and fall to 0 while clutch is depressed. I had just gone from about 25mpg out of a corner to about 65mph, slowed for the corner and this happened. Also, the previous corner was similarly 20mph to 70mph.
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Would it matter what speed this happened? Our cars should be able to handle this type of speed, but if your were running 152 at max rpm for 5min then that might be an issue which i doubt you did.

I just fight and complaint about it.
Was at a driving school. Wasn't maxing it out.
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I have 15k miles on my engine, my car was delivered in December and shipped to California in February. I drove the car for about a month and a half when this happened:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1136972

After that, the car was repaired and had 8k healthy miles of uninterrupted fun and ownership. I just took the car on a road trip to Colorado, CA, and Yellowstone. I haven't had time to post about it but will soon. This sort of interrupted that...

This Monday there was a problem with my car and long story short there is a hole in the block somewhere. The engine died at around 50-70mph after having just accelerated from about 25-30, and now slowing for a corner at about 40. The car died, there was apparently a massive backfire (so I am told from some one behind me) and I pulled over. I never started the car after it shut itself off, let me first say that.

The car was towed into a nearby garage, with the fault code reading "Low coolant level. Possible engine damage. Scalding Hazard." We put coolant in the car, and when it took the entire gallon of coolant, we knew something was wrong. Checking under the car revealed no leaks so we suspected an internal leak. We drained the oil to see if that's where the coolant was going (lowest point, oil floats to the top of coolant) and sure enough the entire gallon of coolant was there. We suspected blown head gasket and had the car towed to a BMW dealership.

I got a call yesterday saying that there was catastrophic engine failure and there is a hole in the block somewhere. As fast as you pour coolant into the coolant box, it's coming out equally fast from the oil drain. This leads them to believe there is a hole in the block somewhere, in either cylinder 4 or 7. He said the spark plug on cyl. 4 is seized so they suspect that one.

I am completely stock, and BMW is saying (after the Data Dump they did) that the car was over revved at 7722 rpm at 152 mph. I had the car in Sport throttle setting, not Sport+. For those F8X savvy owners out there, or 6MT owners, you'll know that in Sport the car won't rev match if the selected gear will result in an over rev of the engine on the downshift. It will leave the rpms at 0 and make you wind the engine to meet the gear by grinding your clutch basically, but in that time your speed will have dropped and hopefully you will be within the rpms of that selected gear. Now, I never did that. I'm not stupid. The point that I'm making is that with Sport throttle setting, it is damn near impossible to over rev the engine unless you straight clutch dump at high speed to a lower gear. WHICH I DID NOT DO. Nor did I downshift to a gear that the car did not auto-rev match itself.

I need some person on my side to fight BMW with this. What sort of resources and right do I have as an owner. Please help guys. I can't pay for a 30k new engine.
I suggest you call your insurance company and put in a claim. As long as you have full coverage they should pay for a new motor.
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I suggest you call your insurance company and put in a claim. As long as you have full coverage they should pay for a new motor.
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Driving school. Well within acceptable use of the car.
Oh ok, So they wont pay for the engine?Warranty?
I know there was a similar topic here somewhere about a guy who "moneyshifted" and BMW paid for a new engine. He only paid 120$.
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I was doing about 60-70, was slowing for a corner, no power. Go to shift and rpms continue to drop and fall to 0 while clutch is depressed. I had just gone from about 25mpg out of a corner to about 65mph, slowed for the corner and this happened. Also, the previous corner was similarly 20mph to 70mph.
Is there ANYWAY you can confirm this to the dealership?

Hell can the driving school back you up on this too? Have you contacted your insurance company to see what they can do? (even though they might be a douche and not do jack.)
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I suggest you call your insurance company and put in a claim. As long as you have full coverage they should pay for a new motor.
If his insurance provides coverage at a driving school.
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Is there ANYWAY you can confirm this to the dealership?

Hell can the driving school back you up on this too? Have you contacted your insurance company to see what they can do? (even though they might be a douche and not do jack.)
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just looked at my bio under "drives". the irony hurts a bit much hahahaha.
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just looked at my signature. the irony hurts a bit much hahahaha.
Ya just call your insurance company and put in a claim. Then go to the dealership and show the footage of what you were doing when the engine blew.
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Oh ok, So they wont pay for the engine?Warranty?
I know there was a similar topic here somewhere about a guy who "moneyshifted" and BMW paid for a new engine. He only paid 120$.
Link to his thread or profile?? Also please clarify "moneyshift". I'm assuming you mean the little throttle blip in neutral as you upshift.
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Link to his thread or profile?? Also please clarify "moneyshift". I'm assuming you mean the little throttle blip in neutral as you upshift.
money shift
Usually only happens in a car with a manual transmission- A money shift is an accidental, far too aggressive down-shift, in which the engine performs the biggest red-line you've ever seen. It's referred to as a money shift, because it usually results in money coming out of your pocket for a new head, pistons etc.

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