What number GTS out of 700?

[TT1351]

I saw k578888 today, very cool black sapphire!

[jml]

Litmus test will be asking for a letter from bmwna that there are only 700 serial edition models in the world. If they won't provide that, then I think we know the answer. I've been assured by someone who theoretically would know within bmwna, that everything not allocated to customers will be crushed.

[GreenLantern]

Why would there be any GTS's not allocated to customers?

If one exists, I want it.

[M2MG17]

I doubt BMW would ever respond to that request.

It does not surprise me that BMW has gone over their allocated production they did the same thing on BMW 1M with a few friends of mine who asked for more cars and BMW built them over the promised allocation commitment.

It was never a numbered car so this gives manufacturers the ability to produce them as long as they are profitable.

[VCP]

They would have to sell 10's of thousands before it becomes profitable for BMW M

Originally Posted by SAPPHIREM4GTS

I doubt BMW would ever respond to that request.

It does not surprise me that BMW has gone over their allocated production they did the same thing on BMW 1M with a few friends of mine who asked for more cars and BMW built them over the promised allocation commitment.

It was never a numbered car so this gives manufacturers the ability to produce them as long as they are profitable.

[VCP]

True. Many will see a sad death.

Originally Posted by jml

Litmus test will be asking for a letter from bmwna that there are only 700 serial edition models in the world. If they won't provide that, then I think we know the answer. I've been assured by someone who theoretically would know within bmwna, that everything not allocated to customers will be crushed.

[E90Fleet]

More DTM's added. 81 more LHD, 47 RHD
No more GTS yet
Only 12 GTS left to be built asof today.

EU Left Hand Drive Cars
GTS K576700 till K576708 Pre-Production from May 2015 till December 2015 (9 cars)
GTS K576709 till K576714 Press cars built in January 2016 (6 cars)
GTS K576715 till K576992 (278 cars built asof today)
DTM K576993 till K577106 (114 cars, none built asof today)

EU Right Hand Drive Cars
GTS K577700 to K577701 Pre production model from May 2015 ( 2 cars)
GTS K577702 till K577821 (120 cars, all built)
DTM K577822 till K577888 ( 67 cars, none built asof today)

North American Cars
GTS K578700 till K578709 Pre production cars from May 2015 ( 10 cars)
GTS K578710 till K579111 (405 cars) (393 built asof today)


Total customer GTS 278+120+405 = 803
830 with development and press cars

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by VCP

They would have to sell 10's of thousands before it becomes profitable for BMW M

I agree with the fact that they likely need to sell way more than the ~700 units they have advertised to recoup the total NRE and marketing expense for the GTS. However, I seriously doubt that only the manufacturing cost of a single GTS is above the MSRP. So any GTS produced above the 700 does bring profit to BMW (which would lower the loss of the entire GTS program, if loss there is).

[VCP]

Maybe 1280 would do it, maybe 2120 would suffice.. point is, this car was not built for profit reasons. When BMW talks profit the number needs to stretch far past raw cost. Otherwise it is time wasted when money can be made elsewhere.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I agree with the fact that they likely need to sell way more than the ~700 units they have advertised to recoup the total NRE and marketing expense for the GTS. However, I seriously doubt that only the manufacturing cost of a single GTS is above the MSRP. So any GTS produced above the 700 does bring profit to BMW (which would lower the loss of the entire GTS program, if loss there is).

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by VCP

Maybe 1280 would do it, maybe 2120 would suffice.. point is, this car was not built for profit reasons. When BMW talks profit the number needs to stretch far past raw cost. Otherwise it is time wasted when money can be made elsewhere.

I don't even want to start speculating on the break-even point for the GTS program. My point was simply that any additional GTS produced will more than likely bring additional profit to BMW. Period. Is it worth it to them? I don't want to speculate on that either.

But I fundamentally agree, the point of the GTS program was never about profit, but much rather around marketing and brand image. However, I am not sure they are entirely succeeding at that based on the overall press reviews.

In the end, the hardcore enthusiasts are the lucky winners here .

[TT1351]

FWIW, after not being selected to receive a voucher I expressed my dismay at not being included by sending an email to BMW USA just to let them know I wasn't happy, especially after being a long time customer, I still, own my very early build 95 M3, my 95 M3 LTW, a 2014 M4, a 2008 135i, as well as an 89 M3, a 91 325 iX and an 89 325 iX. I also had and sold a 2001 E46 M3, which to my twisted way of thinking meant I was somewhat committed (or so I thought) to the marque. Received a response basically saying thanks for your letter, but you are SOL. I guess the response translated to when they are gone they are gone, tough s***. Based on that response they were sticking their guns. It's possible there were more made for press cars, demo cars etc. After seeing factory drivers beat the bejesus out of them they may be very well used up and I doubt they would offer them for sale, so what's the answer, I don't know, but I am sure an answer will eventually surface. The happy ending is my dealer had a voucher holder bail on a black sapphire metallic GTS, so on Monday I collect K57888 at sticker, my faith has been restored. Amen, Fran

[Bimmed Out]

So production of this car is not fixed to a finite # of units?

[ivyE90]

K578921 here =)

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by ivyE90

K578921 here =)

You got yours from auto west bmw. This is you trying to flip it already?

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/nvn/cto/5887483729.html

[TT1351]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

You got yours from auto west bmw. This is you trying to flip it already?

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/nvn/cto/5887483729.html

Very astute!

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by TT1351

Very astute!

Why does it say 2017 model. These are all 2016 models I thought

[KKSigs]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Why does it say 2017 model. These are all 2016 models I thought

You're right there is no 2017. Cause he really doesn't have a clue about this car. Just looking for a profit.

[ivyE90]

yep that is me lol. need the cash to buy a used gt3 and trade in to porsche center so they can give me a .2 gt3 in manual!!!

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

You got yours from auto west bmw. This is you trying to flip it already?

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/nvn/cto/5887483729.html

[ivyE90]

Originally Posted by KKSigs

You're right there is no 2017. Cause he really doesn't have a clue about this car. Just looking for a profit.

to be honest you are right. i do not know this car much but the dealer offered me a spot to get one. why not ....

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by ivyE90

yep that is me lol. need the cash to buy a used gt3 and trade in to porsche center so they can give me a .2 gt3 in manual!!!

All that hassle to drive a GT3, I would just happily keep the GTS.

[ivyE90]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

All that hassle to drive a GT3, I would just happily keep the GTS.

I would keep it only if it was manual. So i went to put down a deposit for a m2 CS or csl or gts. Auto west confirmed me a spot for it but i really wish it comes with manual.

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by ivyE90

I would keep it only if it was manual. So i went to put down a deposit for a m2 CS or csl or gts. Auto west confirmed me a spot for it but i really wish it comes with manual.

Its really too bad auto west is giving allocations to ppl who don't even appreciate these cars and only wants to turn it into a profit for a Porsche.