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      09-06-2017, 03:36 PM   #1
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EVO UK : RS5 vs M4 CP vs C63 S

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Source : EVO UK, November 2017

THE VERDICT

WE WERE EXPECTING THE arguments to rage for days over this one, but in the final reckoning, the finishing order proved to be easier to settle on than we ever imagined. That’s not to say the end result wasn’t surprising…

Audi RS5

It’s often difficult to shake off preconceptions when putting together tests like this, particularly when it comes to fast Audis, but the latest RS5 turned our expectations on their head. It’s the RS5’s wide bandwidth of abilities that’s truly astonishing; at the touch of a button it can be turned from the GT car Audi claims it to be to a steely cored performance coupe.‘ Slowly but surely, it becomes apparent that this is a serious car,’ says Towler. ‘Its performance is instant and savage, but it’s the sophistication of its damping – the same quality that makes it such an easy car to live with – that is the key to its real-world pace.’ If there’s a criticism, it’s that the Audi lacks instant access to thrills. There’s excitement there, but you have to dig a little deeper to find the qualities that make you appreciate it more. Does it do enough to topple the Mercedes-AMG C63 S? Yes, but by the narrowest of margins.

Mercedes AMG C63 S

Make no mistake, we love the bombastic and entertaining C63 S, particularly its firecracker of an engine – the twin-turbo V8 is one of the best in the business. Yet while its instant-gratification fun is hard to resist, its abilities are a little uneven in this company, and its hefty kerb weight means it is the slowest at the track (and thirstiest at the pumps). Factor in its poor cabin build and a hefty 7485 premium over the next cheapest car here and its fate behind the Audi is sealed. Barker sums it up nicely: ‘Overall, it doesn’t feel as well resolved or as engaging as the other two. It has the most attention-grabbing exhaust note, but in this company Mercedes is selling the sizzle, not the sausage.’

BMW M4 CP

So where does that leave the M4? Way out in front is the short answer. It’s taken BMW a while, but this 2018MY Competition Package version is the car the M4 should have been from the start. From its near-perfect weight distribution to its pared-back kerb weight, the fast and fun BMW feels like a car that’s been developed with the driver’s best interests at heart. ‘It has an authenticity to it that cuts through the challenge of the other two,’ says Towler. ‘It shines brightly pretty much all the time. Whatever the mood, whatever the journey, the M4 feels like an event, like a real performance car, like a car to covet and treasure.’ Like a winner.

TRACK TIMES

Venue Bedford Autodrome.

C63S 1:25.6
RS5 1:25.0
M4 CP 1:23.4


ACCELERATION

The C63 roar to 60mph in 4.3sec, which is a few tenths behind Merc’s claim of 3.9sec to 62 but an impressive achievement when you consider the C63 tips our scales at a portly 1847kg.

The carbonfibre-roofed M4 is far trimmer, weighing in at just 1645kg. This helps explain why it’s just a tenth slower to 60mph than the C63, despite a 59bhp power deficit. That’s about as big as the gap gets between these two, and remarkably they both flash past 150mph in 21.1sec.

The RS5 catapults off the line like a fighter jet being fired down the deck of an aircraft carrier. The result is 60mph in a laugh-out-loud 3.6sec. Audi modestly claims 3.9sec to 62. However, the Audi’s mass and weaker top end tell eventually and beyond 100mph it starts to lose ground to the other two. By 150mph it’s a full two seconds in arrears.
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      09-06-2017, 03:39 PM   #2
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Not surprising. The new comp for the revised M3 is the QV.
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Not surprising. The new comp for the revised M3 is the QV.
But this is a comparisons of coupes and the Alfa does not offer one for now.
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      09-06-2017, 05:43 PM   #5
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Wow 2 seconds faster than the Amg. That's an eternity. Which track did they test at?
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      09-06-2017, 10:58 PM   #6
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The UK has finally been won over! But really, this pattern is just a repeat of every M3 release since the E30...at first the new M3 is harshly criticized by both owners of the outgoing generation (e.g., "purists") and the press. By the time the new version is near the end of production cycle, it's back on top. Just in time for the cycle to repeat.

Now, for the F8X in particular, there were seemingly a lot of improvements along the way, some very visible (e.g., ZCP), some invisible (software and suspension updates to all cars, etc.). But still. Anyway, it's all good. Now we can just sit back and wait for all hell to break loose with the next generation M3/4...AWD! No MT!

And I sincerely, SINCERELY, hope the latter (no MT) does not come to pass with the next generation. Amen.
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I'd love a track event to drive M3CP, ATS-V, C63s and QF Verde on same track - same day
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I'd love a track event to drive M3CP, ATS-V, C63s and QF Verde on same track - same day
And the new Audi RS5 as well...
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Wow 2 seconds faster than the Amg. That's an eternity. Which track did they test at?
This one:

http://www.bedfordautodrome.co.uk/

Evo's "home track" IIRC.

It's mainly used as a base for palmer motorsport days which are an incredible day out.
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The Brits surely appreciate their (German) classics
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More validation for the RS5 finding its niche as an ultimate around-the-towner... not a track car but an awesome little rocket. I think the RS5 vert will be a cool option for a convertible cruiser for those who will never want it on a track.
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damn what an awesome thing to read 10 days before picking up my ED car
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C63S for the daily.

M4 for race track.

RS5 for the drag strip.

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C63S for the daily.

M4 for race track.

RS5 for the drag strip.

As little of a feature it may be, even if it's insignificant to many, the column gear selector is a no go for me
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C63S for the daily.

M4 for race track.

RS5 for the drag strip.

I wouldn't daily that shit63 amg with its heavy weight and crap trans
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What tire was each car on?

The MB usually comes on the wicked slow contis.
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As little of a feature it may be, even if it's insignificant to many, the column gear selector is a no go for me
Agreed and in the same way I wouldn't have the Audi either as it doesn't have a floor hinged "organ style" accelerator pedal.
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The only car that comes close to the M3/4 in its class is the Giulia QV but that has reliability issues.
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Is it just me or does EVO have a biased hard on for BMWs? It always seemed more biased towards them just how MotorTrend is biased towards Mercedes.
Which car should have won in your opinion?
BMW has/ had 2 versions even more track oriented: CS and GTS. It's not at the Porsche level, but better when compared with the class rivals!
The next great M is not quite far from the launch: M2 CS
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Is it just me or does EVO have a biased hard on for BMWs? It always seemed more biased towards them just how MotorTrend is biased towards Mercedes.
EVO literally hated the F8x generation M3/M4 when it was released...
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