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      01-27-2018, 01:47 PM   #1
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Their supertests are driven by Christophe Tinseau at the LeMans short track, the Bugatti Circuit (which is still pretty long and fast, unlike most "short tracks"). This is pretty much the French equivalent of Randy Pobst driving at Laguna Seca.

Comparison with a few of their recent tests:
1:42.49 Huracan Performante
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How is it that the CS is faster than a GTR? Also, 5 seconds faster than a QV yet the QV is faster at Nurburgring? And, only 3 seconds slower than a AMG GTR and 911 GT3 RS??? Not sure what to read into these results.
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How is it that the CS is faster than a GTR? Also, 5 seconds faster than a QV yet the QV is faster at Nurburgring? And, only 3 seconds slower than a AMG GTR and 911 GT3 RS??? Not sure what to read into these results.

I am not surprised to see the M4 CS that much faster than the QV. The QV barely just matches track times of the base M4. That Nurburgring time for the QV was not done by an independent party, so it is to me. Alfa have still not provided a QV to Auto Motor & Sport for them to Supertest. Wonder why?

This is just one data point in terms of track times and should be taken as such. It is one that the M4 CS faired pretty well though.
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Wow that huracan spanks...
It'd better. It's a 3350lb 630hp AWD mid-engine 2-setaer shod with very aggressive r-compound tires .
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How is it that the CS is faster than a GTR? Also, 5 seconds faster than a QV yet the QV is faster at Nurburgring? And, only 3 seconds slower than a AMG GTR and 911 GT3 RS??? Not sure what to read into these results.
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How is it that the CS is faster than a GTR? Also, 5 seconds faster than a QV yet the QV is faster at Nurburgring? And, only 3 seconds slower than a AMG GTR and 911 GT3 RS??? Not sure what to read into these results.

I am not surprised to see the M4 CS that much faster than the QV. The QV barely just matches track times of the base M4. That Nurburgring time for the QV was not done by an independent party, so it is to me. Alfa have still not provided a QV to Auto Motor & Sport for them to Supertest. Wonder why?

This is just one data point in terms of track times and should be taken as such. It is one that the M4 CS faired pretty well though.
CS can handle the track better than a GTR ? (stock for stock)
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CS can handle the track better than a GTR ? (stock for stock)
My base M4 can handle the track all day long without any issues, so I am sure the CS will too.

If it will it be "better" than a GT-R, I can't say. I don't have much data points regarding how GT-Rs handle full days at the track.
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Tip of the hat to the Z06. That's a lot of performance and speed starting about $80K !!
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Encouraged by the M4 CS vs GTR .. it seems that the M4 development really is making strides
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Different driver, tracks, days, options, weather, etc. when comparing to other tests. You can't read into these tests too much. The current crop of mid sized sports sedans are so close that who wins on a given day is up for grabs.

Companies also continue to develop their cars for a long time after launch, and not every change is publicized. Today's QV is probably not the same car as the earlier press cars that went around.
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The issue with the F8X cars regardless of variety is the cars being under-tired. I was shocked on the jump of capability even on my E92 M3 by just moving on to 19X10 and 19X11 with a 275/295 setup. Would love to see what the CS is capable of with more tire.

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The issue with the F8X cars regardless of variety is the cars being under-tired. I was shocked on the jump of capability even on my E92 M3 by just moving on to 19X10 and 19X11 with a 275/295 setup.

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https://video.sportauto.fr/video/152...test-BMW-M4+CS

Their supertests are driven by Christophe Tinseau at the LeMans short track (which is still pretty long and fast, unlike most "short tracks"). This is pretty much the French equivalent of Randy Pobst driving at Laguna Seca.

Comparison with a few of their recent tests:
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1:44.28 488GTB
1:45.44 Corvette Z06
1:47.27 AMG GTR
1:47.52 911 GT3 RS
1:47.93 911 Turbo-S
1:50.12 M4 CS
1:51.29 Cayman GT4
1:51.35 Nissan GT-R
1:53.11 Audi TT-RS
1:53.50 Honda NSX
1:55.15 Giulia QV
1:55.80 Lotus Evora
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yes.. at 50% more price.. it well should... but don't forget to deduct about 2-3 seconds for R tires cuz Michelin Sport Cup 2 spanks Michelin Supersport/Continentals .. that's kinda sobering..
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Different driver, tracks, days, options, weather, etc. when comparing to other tests. You can't read into these tests too much. The current crop of mid sized sports sedans are so close that who wins on a given day is up for grabs.

Companies also continue to develop their cars for a long time after launch, and not every change is publicized. Today's QV is probably not the same car as the earlier press cars that went around.
Just to note, the results are from a Giulia QV and M4 CS that were tested on the same track by the same pro racing driver less than 2 months apart. So it is reasonable to assume the Giulia QV has all the latest goodies.

I agree though that, as with any empirical test, there is inherent variation. As I stated previously, this is just one more data point.
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