How to prevent wheel spin on M4

[jmg]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

Was going to say..

Lift off oversteer is the real animal in the room. I lost it myself and ended up in a wall with lift off oversteer.

It's a brutal beast, and it's very very hard to catch even by seasoned veterans.

I would urge OP to be very very careful, i learned my lesson.

I track with all the nannies off and lift off oversteer is so easy to get in trouble with. The key is to lift gradually if at all. The correct steering inputs with throttle maintenance to keep the weight off the nose and you can catch it more often than not. I've only spun 4 times on the track, all from excessive speed, too much input, and panic lift-off oversteer. Learning just the right amount of throttle and counter-steer is a must if you want to push this car. I don't remember the last time I did a fast lap without some kind of counter-steering to catch the rear.

Lots of fun though, that feeling of a 4 wheel slide into a perfect slip angle as you apply full throttle on corner exit is extremely satisfying.

[deeldoo]

Originally Posted by jmg

I track with all the nannies off and lift off oversteer is so easy to get in trouble with. The key is to lift gradually if at all. The correct steering inputs with throttle maintenance to keep the weight off the nose and you can catch it more often than not. I've only spun 4 times on the track, all from excessive speed, too much input, and panic lift-off oversteer. Learning just the right amount of throttle and counter-steer is a must if you want to push this car. I don't remember the last time I did a fast lap without some kind of counter-steering to catch the rear.

Lots of fun though, that feeling of a 4 wheel slide into a perfect slip angle as you apply full throttle on corner exit is extremely satisfying.

Yes, i think even with experience upsetting the car with any lift off will get you in trouble.

For me it was panic that set in as i was mid corner at the limits with not enough space to correct much. I paniced. At that point it was way too late, my shoulder almost came clean off with the way the steering wheel jolted.

you can enter a corner hard, you can give too much exiting a corner. What you don't want is to realize mid corner approaching apex that you are too hot into it and freak out and lift.

It all happened so fast for me but it's something i will always remember

[jmg]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

Yes, i think even with experience upsetting the car with any lift off will get you in trouble.

For me it was panic that set in as i was mid corner at the limits with not enough space to correct much. I paniced. At that point it was way too late, my shoulder almost came clean off with the way the steering wheel jolted.

you can enter a corner hard, you can give too much exiting a corner. What you don't want is to realize mid corner approaching apex that you are too hot into it and freak out and lift.

It all happened so fast for me but it's something i will always remember

Lol same thing happened to me. I took a corner at 100 mph that I was working up to from about 90 mph. I misjudged, had too much speed and turned in way to early and had no track left on the other side. Panicked and the tail went one way, then whipped hard the other way. I tried to correct but there's no recovery when all 4 tires have lost traction. It's just hold on and hope you don't flip over hitting the dirt sideways at high speed. Luckily I had scrubbed a lot of speed sliding back and forth across the tarmac, so it didn't flip.

[Suds]

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Adding to the conversation, I was focused chasing a car and slowly turned in late after a 130 mph curve and realized I missed the apex curbing. Straight line braked down to 60-80mph and went off track in the wet grass and rode it out without spinning, was not easy. Then found a way back on track.
It can be Fck’ing sketchy!

Revaluation: don’t become fixated on chasing a car! Make sure you are driving the track.

[G82 Jesse]

EMBRACE THE CHAOS

I'm kidding - get high quality tires (PS4S, R888R, etc) and don't hold the traction control button to turn DSC fully off.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Suds

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Adding to the conversation, I was focused chasing a car and slowly turned in late after a 130 mph curve and realized I missed the apex curbing. Straight line braked down to 60-80mph and went off track in the wet grass and rode it out without spinning, was not easy. Then found a way back on track.
It can be Fck’ing sketchy!

Sometimes that's all you can do, straight line brake right into the runoff, I've done that as well. Unfortunately for me, I managed to do more damage trying to get BACK ON the track rather than flying off the track. I cracked my CS front lip, a $2k part, hitting a bit of the tarmac that was raised where it met the runoff.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by JesseH234

EMBRACE THE CHAOS

I'm kidding - get high quality tires (PS4S, R888R, etc) and don't hold the traction control button to turn DSC fully off.

PS4S are the best road tires IMHO, but the general consensus around the pits are that the R888R are garbage. Toyo did an excellent job of marketing those, but they are awful.

Your tailights are sick!

[sonic17]

Originally Posted by JesseH234

[SIZE="5"]EMBRACE THE CHAOS[/SIZE]

I'm kidding - get high quality tires (PS4S, R888R, etc) and don't hold the traction control button to turn DSC fully off.

The gts taillights are beautiful, totally gonna get those done on mine

[G82 Jesse]

Originally Posted by jmg

PS4S are the best road tires IMHO, but the general consensus around the pits are that the R888R are garbage. Toyo did an excellent job of marketing those, but they are awful.

Your tailights are sick!

Dang, I didn't know that! I've only ever heard good things about R888Rs.. however I can't quite put my finger on where I've heard them. Maybe I've fallen for the marketing schemes lol

I have 295/20/30 PS4S and think they're great! Also thanks, I do love those taillights

[hellokitty]

Cup 2 Connect (240). The new generation cup 2 has bridged the gap with the PS4S in terms of much better tread wear. If you live in a mild climate (no snow or freezing temps), this is the way to go.

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by jmg

PS4S are the best road tires IMHO, but the general consensus around the pits are that the R888R are garbage. Toyo did an excellent job of marketing those, but they are awful.

Your tailights are sick!

R888R have been known to be garbage soon after they were released roughly 15 years or so and people still don’t know? In the track forum, there’s always a new member that lists out their track setup starting with brakes, suspension…and with R888R. NO!!! You try to explain it to them but they won’t listen. Well, first track day they end up with an off caused by a tire that just lacks grip and consistency. Then they say, oh you guys weren’t kidding about the R888R. The last thing the OP needs is a set of R888R to learn how to control the throttle without wheel spin especially in a corner!

OP - a lot of people have given you good advice but I’ll repeat it. Do not mash the throttle and, instead, just slowly roll into the throttle, keep DSC ON AND MDM OFF, and did I say respect the throttle? You’ll realize a f8x is an easy car to drive as a DD. IMO, it’s the best DD of any of the M generations. You’re going to love your car even more with more seat time. Enjoy and stay safe!