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01-15-2014, 11:03 AM | #89 | |
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911 turbo does it pretty damn well too, no excuses BMW! If you can target niche markets with great specificity (looking at you, x1 m-sport diesel) you can offer the option of AWD on your most important car I'd say. |
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01-15-2014, 11:11 AM | #90 | |
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What if I never want auto rev match ? What if I want auto rev match even when I'm on the track ? |
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01-15-2014, 11:38 AM | #93 | |
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In the M5, which is already a fatty, sure. In the M3...not the mission of these cars. Listen, the Ferrari F12 puts down over 700 freaking HP through RWD and no one complains about traction in that car. In fact, they say it's spooky how well you can get it hooked up. So if BMW is going to spend $$, do it on trick diffs and electronics that'll put the power down without corrupting steering. |
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-Torque vectoring diff -HUD -CFRP driveshaft -CCB brakes optional -Direct injection -EPS Performance (manual transmission model): -4,3s 0-100km/h vs 4,8s for E92 MT6 vs 5,1s for E46 MT6 (a larger improvement for F82 vs E92 than there was from E46 to E92...) -80-120km/h in 4th/5th in 3,5s/4,2s, vs 4,9s/6s for the E92 and 5,3s (4th gear) for the E46 (a larger improvement for F82 vs E92 than there was from E46 to E92...) -22,2s for the 0-1000m distance vs 23,5s for E92 vs 23,7s(?) for E46 (a larger improvement for F82 vs E92 than there was from E46 to E92...) Source for E92 M3 spec: http://www.m3forum.com/pressrelease/...w_m3_gb_fv.pdf + Euro brochure So, it seems the leap in performance is even bigger this time, and in some disciplines, significantly so... BTW. The E46 did a 8:22s Nurburgring lap time, the E92 did a 8:05s time, both driven by the same driver (Horst von Saurma from Sport Auto). BMW claims the F8x is at least 10s quicker than the E92, so at least a 7:55 time (by the same test criteria as above). Improving the time from 8:22 to 8:05 equals a 3,4% improvement Improving the time from 8:05 to 7:55 equals a 2,1% improvement So, E92 vs E46 was a bit better if we assume "just" 10s improvement. To get the same improvement (in %) the F8x lap time would need to be 16s faster than the E92. Quote:
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01-15-2014, 11:44 AM | #96 |
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He's fudging figures to fit his narrative. e90 had something like 4.5-4.7 bmw released times when it came out. Some magazines got 4.1. That's compared to factory released time of 3.9 for the new m3/m4, so it's the same interval of improvement between the e46 to e90 as it is from the e90 to f8x.
At this point he's coming up with excuses to try and, I assume, make himself feel better about his car. Why he feels the need to bring his non-fact based conjecture to here, a board for cars he doesn't and apparently will never own (based on his thoughts on them before release even), is certainly an interesting question. |
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01-15-2014, 11:51 AM | #99 | |
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http://www.m3forum.com/pressrelease/...w_m3_gb_fv.pdf As I pointed out a few posts above, the official spec shows that the F8x has larger gains in performance vs E9x than E9x had vs E46. Quite contrary to what Fatal Gamer claims.... |
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Thank god BMW M doesn't offer AWD. At least not yet. These fast cars are getting too easy to drive. I don't wanna pull up next to an AWD model and get my ass kicked on a launch. AWD is boring, destroys the steering wheel and adds lots of unnecessary weight to a sports!!!! car. AWD is fine in regular models if you live in cold weather countries but other than that I would personally never get an AWD unless it's maybe a Turbo S.
Great questions though Jason.
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01-15-2014, 12:14 PM | #105 |
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My F30 has better turn-in and ability to point the car through turns than my E92M... although it isn't as planted and bounces somewhat... I am sure the F8X will have this solidified
It is a perf edition and it is beginning to break in feels faster than a 335is BMW should have kept a V8 in the F8X and put the S55 in the M2 when it comes out but understand all the regulations and CO2 etc. I do prefer tight steering over light steering and hope this is tightened up |
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01-15-2014, 12:25 PM | #107 | ||
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The F8x with DCT has the following max torque at the wheel numbers in 1st to 5th gear: 1st: 9152Nm 2nd: 4939Nm 3rd: 3240Nm 4th: 2210Nm 5th: 1904Nm vs C63 AMG with a 600Nm engine (S55 has 550Nm) 1st: 7410Nm 2nd: 4839Nm 3rd: 3246Nm 4th: 2316Nm 5th: 1692Nm vs E63 AMG with a 720Nm engine (S55 has 550Nm) 1st: 8352Nm 2nd: 5457Nm 3rd: 3663Nm 4th: 2614Nm 5th: 1908Nm As you can see, the F8x has more torque at the wheels than the C63 in every gear from 1st to 5th, apart from in 4th. The F8x even has more torque at the wheels in 1st gear, than the E63 with a 720Nm engine. And in 5th, the difference is just 4Nm in favour of the E63... Add (or rather substract) the lower weight of the F8x vs C63 and E63, and you get the picture on relative performance |
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According to BMW official press release from 2007 the E92 MT6 takes 4,8s in the 0-100km/h sprint. http://www.m3forum.com/pressrelease/...w_m3_gb_fv.pdf And, since we only have official press releases for the F8x, that's what we need to compare it with for the E92 as well... Just like a E92 might have done better times, so might the F8x do when tested. "Real world" numbers can only be compared when we have real world numbers for the F8x as well BTW. The E46 did a 8:22s Nurburgring lap time, the E92 did a 8:05s time, both driven by the same driver (Horst von Saurma from Sport Auto). BMW claims the F8x is at least 10s quicker than the E92, so at least a 7:55 time (by the same test criteria as above). Improving the time from 8:22 to 8:05 equals a 3,4% improvement Improving the time from 8:05 to 7:55 equals a 2,1% improvement So, E92 vs E46 was a bit better if we assume "just" 10s improvement. To get the same improvement (in %) the F8x lap time would need to be 16s faster than the E92. Last edited by Boss330; 01-15-2014 at 01:17 PM.. Reason: Rectified major math blunder... ;) |
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You also bringing out M5 or AMG with 500-600 pounds of torque. Do you know that this car is 1200 pounds lighter than M5 and somewhere around 1500 pounds lighter than AWD AMG(for example E63) |
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01-15-2014, 12:37 PM | #110 |
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Is the M235i going to have the same transmission as the M3/4? I saw on the Canadian product planning bulletin that the transmission for the m235i was "borrowed" from the new M3/4. That would be awesome! Unlike many of you, I love the idea of being able to have rev matching in the more relaxed settings, and having it be disabled in sport+. I'm far from rich, and been saving my pennies for this new m235i and I think they put it perfectly when they said it's for younger drivers to give them a taste. I'm absolutely positive after driving that for a few years and constantly saving, a few years down the line I will be in an M3/4 (haven't decided which one yet).
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