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Because it follows the interpretation of the M3 Lightweight Sedan (which is coming next Week) allbeit with a few more changes it is still in the early stages of prototypes and decisions, It wont come out till about mid- 2012. So there is a long way to go.
But if you take into consideration the number of units , production timeframe etc , the transition to federalisation and so on... It might not be cost effective for BMW to offer the car in the US . |
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The quickness with which the more expensive GTS sold out must have shown BMW there is ample market for a higher end product, not to mention the benefits of offering a halo product as BMW's competition currently offers. If the US is the largest market for M cars, how can BMW continue to leave us out of the party for its best and most focused products? Surely the strategy of keeping customers within the brand when they are financially able to upgrade above a standard M3 cannot rely entirely on the M5 and M6, cars which by BMW's own admission are less sporty than the cheaper M3. There are so many like myself that wish to upgrade to a sportier car than the standard M3, yet BMW seems content having us look towards Porsche for the 911 line, or Audi for the R8 line, or most directly related; Mercedes for the Black Series Line. How was Mercedes able to offer us the CLK 63 AMG Black Series? Clearly it was cost effective because they are now soon to release a C63 AMG Black Series in both coupe and sedan form. Meanwhile BMW cannot bring us even one sportier version of the M3? I find this very hard to believe, since the market for an E92 M3 CSL should easily outpace that for the Black Series. Is there anything we can do here on M3post to help convince BMW to bring the car here this go around? Last edited by HBspeed; 06-16-2011 at 02:56 PM.. |
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I dream about the S65 bi turbo F3X M3 on a daily basis. Any updates on that?
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06-16-2011, 04:07 PM | #249 | |
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Once you go much past 100k, I agree that BMW cannot be competitive utilizing the M3 platform. Once you starting moving into 6 figures, nearly all of us interested in such a car are going to go with a sports car that is on a dedicated platform such as the 911 or R8. What BMW needs is a more focused sporting alternative to the M5 and M6 at their price point. Enter the E90 M3 EVO or whatever it is going to be officially named. BMW has stated themselves it is going to serve as a middle ground between the base M3 and the GTS. Therefore if you take the base M3 price of under 60k and that of the 150k GTS you get something right around 100k. That's why this E90 M3 EVO concept makes perfect sense for the US market. If BMW were to take the base E92 M3 and add the GTS suspension, brakes, and exhaust you would already be well on your way. If such a car were built utilizing these GTS parts from the bin, and subsequently add lightweight body panels and engine tweaks up to a base price point in the 90k-100k range, BMW would have a clear winner on its hands. I would love to hear a rational argument as to why this would not work. |
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Those manufacturers have the passion to give US buyers their most focused efforts. BMW seems to be making these decisions based solely on the guidance of their bean counters and investors. Mortgaging the hard earned credentials of the M brand for a few short term financial gains. Especially at a time when M cars are moving away from their long held principle of natural aspiration, a nod to the enthusiast base seems in order unless they want to lose many of them for good. |
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The problem of BMW M is the M3, it is too important concerning the brand image. But I still do not think an "M10" Supercar car would dammage the image, in fact everybody knows the M3 is a great car but is NO 911, R8 or Ferrari. The Problem is that BMW has no stand alone M Car, with 2 seats M platform, M powertrain and M drivetrain.
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I think the S63 bi-turbo would be a good set-up. The engine mass is moved toward the center of the car to improve weight distribution and the turbos can deliver a broad torque band from 1300 rpm to 6,000 rpm. What's not to like?
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The problem with a turbo charged M3 is mainly the visceral race car like scream of a very finely tuned engine at 8000+ rpm with a totally linear power curve all the way up. Performance wise the new car will win for sure. Nonetheless we can not down play the significance of the emotional aspects of a Ferrari type engine experience.
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The reality is that it will most likely get a TT V6. They will take the F10 M5 engine and chop off two cylinders like that did with the precious model. Why do so many have an issue with this? It will have 450 HP and get much better fuel mileage. BMW has committed to making this change and I'm sure the end result will be awesome!
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