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      02-21-2014, 05:56 PM   #1
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Post Official German M3/M4 brochure available for download

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Interesting as it shows the Individual options. I like the azurite black colour! And Frozen colors expected in 2015.

It also mentions that the M3 logo at the bottom of the door frame is illuminated, so either the showcars simply were not equipped with this light or its a mistake in the catalogue.


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Thanks for posting this. Nice pictures, and nice sample swatches of the individual options.

It also makes me even more disappointed we don't get the Blue Shadow trim option in the US. It is a simple all-dark trim that would look great with the cloth/leather. Oh well, at least trim is easy to swap out, and as I've said before I can sell the CF trim.

Anyone know why there is an item listed under both the standard and Individual trims under the heading "INTERIEURFARBEN" (Interior colors) and labeled simply "Schwartz" (Black)? What equipment is that referring to? It's not the trim or the upholstery since those are shown next to and above it.
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Nice find, thx!
It also shows 0-200 (0-125mph) time.... 13,6 (6MT) and 13,4 (DCT).
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Germans among us, why is the M4 introduced as:

"Das neue BMW M4 coupe"

... yet the M3 as:

"Die neue BMW M3 Limousine"?

I can understand why the sedan would be considered to be the more feminine of the two, and deserving of the feminine tag "die", but why isn't the M4 not "Der neue M4" instead of the neutral "das"?

Perhaps BMW should be alerted to its faulty use of German?
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seeing the individual colors for the interior just makes me want to cry (since I can't order those at launch)

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Germans among us, why is the M4 introduced as:

"Das neue BMW M4 coupe"

... yet the M3 as:

"Die neue BMW M3 Limousine"?

I can understand why the sedan would be considered to be the more feminine of the two, and deserving of the feminine tag "die", but why isn't the M4 not "Der neue M4" instead of the neutral "das"?

Perhaps BMW should be alerted to its faulty use of German?
I'm not sure if this is irony, if it isn't: German nouns have determined articles. 'Coupe' is always neutral ('das'), 'Limousine' is always feminine ('die'). So, for once, BMW marketing can't be blamed...
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Thanks for posting this. Nice pictures, and nice sample swatches of the individual options.

It also makes me even more disappointed we don't get the Blue Shadow trim option in the US. It is a simple all-dark trim that would look great with the cloth/leather. Oh well, at least trim is easy to swap out, and as I've said before I can sell the CF trim.

Anyone know why there is an item listed under both the standard and Individual trims under the heading "INTERIEURFARBEN" (Interior colors) and labeled simply "Schwartz" (Black)? What equipment is that referring to? It's not the trim or the upholstery since those are shown next to and above it.
It seems to refer to the roof interior , I'm not sure, though. Could be dashboard as well.
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I'm not sure if this is irony, if it isn't: German nouns have determined articles. 'Coupe' is always neutral ('das'), 'Limousine' is always feminine ('die'). So, for once, BMW marketing can't be blamed...
RIGHT !!!

And if they let the car style away, they would write:

"Der neue M3" and "Der neue M4" ...
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Nice find, thx!
It also shows 0-200 (0-125mph) time.... 13,6 (6MT) and 13,4 (DCT).
My CarTest physics based simulation nailed this at 13.4 s for the M-DCT. No fudging or curve fitting. Although the predictions for the time to distance at the very low distances are a bit off, the prediction for the standing 1km is also spot on at 21.8 vs. 21.9 claimed.
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My CarTest physics based simulation nailed this at 13.4 s for the M-DCT. No fudging or curve fitting. Although the predictions for the time to distance at the very low distances are a bit off, the prediction for the standing 1km is also spot on at 21.8 vs. 21.9 claimed.

Nice work! I am slightly puzzled though- the official BMW press release for the M5 states a standing km time of 21.9sec for the F10 M5 which would suggest that the M3/4 will be just as fast to this benchmark however the 13.4 sec quoted to 200kph for the M3/4 is a lot slower than the F10 M5 which has been tested by sport auto at 11.7 sec and other magazines still below 12 sec. Can you shed some light/opinion?

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Observations on the published acceleration numbers in the brochure:

The same 0.2s difference is quoted between DCT and 6MT on both the 0-100km/h and 0-200km/h. Due to much faster shifts of the DCT, I would have expected the gap to widen with the extra shifts needed to get to 200km/h. Any thoughts why? Extra weight of the DCT?

The DCT is shown to be slower by 0.1s on one of the 80-120km/h pick-up numbers (5th gear?), thoughts to why that is? Gear Ratio? Weight? (EDIT: 5th gear and FD are the same between 6MT and DCT, so weight and more losses can be the only culprit )

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Nice work! I am slightly puzzled though- the official BMW press release for the M5 states a standing km time of 21.9sec for the F10 M5 which would suggest that the M3/4 will be just as fast to this benchmark however the 13.4 sec quoted to 200kph for the M3/4 is a lot slower than the F10 M5 which has been tested by sport auto at 11.7 sec and other magazines still below 12 sec. Can you shed some light
When comparing time to distance, getting an early start makes a huge difference. The M3/4 accelerates more than the M5 at lower speeds early in the race and therefore pulls ahead of the M5. The M5 out accelerates the M3/4 later on at higher speed, so it is able to catch up with but not overtake the M3/4 by the 1km mark. If the race would be allowed to carry beyond 1km, the M5 would pull ahead.

What I find interesting in the M5 stats you posted is the 0-120km/h pick-up numbers. The M3/4 trumps the M5 in both 4th and 5th gear

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It seems to refer to the roof interior , I'm not sure, though. Could be dashboard as well.
I think you're probably right on both. I.e. They are saying any interior surface not finished in upholstery or trim is black, whether you order standard or Individual.
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When comparing time to distance, getting an early start makes a huge difference. The M3/4 accelerates more than the M5 at lower speeds early in the race and therefore pulls ahead of the M5. The M5 out accelerates the M3/4 later on at higher speed, so it is able to catch up with but not overtake the M3/4 by the 1km mark. If the race would be allowed to carry beyond 1km, the M5 would pull ahead.

What I find interesting in the M5 stats you posted is the 0-120km/h pick-up numbers. The M3/4 trumps the M5 in both 4th and 5th gear
Understand what you're saying but maybe I'm missing something. If the M5 gets to 200 km around 1.5 faster than the M3/4 ( which is huge) then it surely must be quicker to 1km where the terminal speed is around 240+ Kph.

As for the in gear acceleration- the only reason I can think of for this is that the M3 has a higher torque/weight ratio than the M5 which I believe it does.

Regardless it looks like the new cars will be noticeably faster than the E9x and possibly in E60 M5 straight line speed league?!
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Observations on the published acceleration numbers in the brochure:

The same 0.2s difference is quoted between DCT and 6MT on both the 0-100km/h and 0-200km/h. Due to much faster shifts of the DCT, I would have expected the gap to widen with the extra shifts needed to get to 200km/h. Any thoughts why? Extra weight of the DCT?

The DCT is shown to be slower by 0.1s on one of the 80-120km/h pick-up numbers (5th gear?), thoughts to why that is? Gear ratios? Weight?
Perhaps the new launch control on DCT gives the car an optimum 0-100kph time and thereafter the lighter weight and gearing of the manual helps it to maintain the gap, especially as the DCT would only require 2 shifts(?) before hitting 200kph.
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Understand what you're saying but maybe I'm missing something. If the M5 gets to 200 km around 1.5 faster than the M3/4 ( which is huge) then it surely must be quicker to 1km where the terminal speed is around 240+ Kph.

As for the in gear acceleration- the only reason I can think of for this is that the M3 has a higher torque/weight ratio than the M5 which I believe it does.

Regardless it looks like the new cars will be noticeably faster than the E9x and possibly in E60 M5 straight line speed league?!
One is BMW advertised number other is real world test data by independent magazine; maybe (and in my opinion, very probably) M3/M4 will be slightly quicker than what BMW says to 200 km/h in tests.

In gear acceleration performance can and in some cases/gears should be better than F10 M5 because of the significantly lower weight of the M3/M4. I think all numbers make good sense.

The stock M3/M4 performance level is in line with a FBO tuned 1M, which has similar engine fundamentals with less power in stock form but almost identical weight. This last detail is amazing; such a bigger car with same weight! The only thing I wished for the 1M was it should be around 100 kg. lighter. Apparently that might be achieved with the next M2.
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One is BMW advertised number other is real world test data by independent magazine; maybe (and in my opinion, very probably) M3/M4 will be slightly quicker than what BMW says to 200 km/h in tests.

In gear acceleration performance can and in some cases/gears should be better than F10 M5 because of the significantly lower weight of the M3/M4. I think all numbers make good sense.

The stock M3/M4 performance level is in line with a FBO tuned 1M, which has similar engine fundamentals with less power in stock form but almost identical weight. This last detail is amazing; such a bigger car with same weight! The only thing I wished for the 1M was it should be around 100 kg. lighter. Apparently that might be achieved with the next M2.

I think you could be right. BMW regularly understate their performance figures and engine outputs. I think the 1M just missed out on the BMW diet that has been implemented on their new cars- M2 should be a real lightweight , 1400kg or less would be nice.
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That means "individual full merino leather (fine grain) in black with sakhir orange contrast stitching."
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One is BMW advertised number other is real world test data by independent magazine
Exactly, that being said BMW has quoted some of these times officially as well. In some cases the numbers are extremely conservative and in others they are more like best possible times. Inconsistency from BMW is not too surprising but is disappointing...
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