-SCANS- Car UK M4 VS C63 AMG

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

Seems odd the buy two cars with identical purposes.
Weekend car needs to be something special to drive; cayman, 911, etc

Two Porsches suggested. Now there's a surprise

[Mako]

Originally Posted by ixse

led head lights w/o lighting pkg is not "full LED". Only outter bulbs are LED. So its half the cost of bmw full LED. Plus i thought c63 doesnt come w navi standard. You need to order it as prem pkg? Which will run about 3-4k. Also M comes w sports bucket seats std, c63 is an option likely to run 1-2k extra.
So overall c63 doesnt undercut M3 by any margin.
Now you start talking about shitty lease deals from MB, then its no comparison.

I just looked over the full pricing and you are right, no NAV standard, that shocks me! $2690 for the multimedia package (which has a rearview camera as well), that puts Mercedes $2000+ higher than BMW.

the lighting package just says it adds auto high beam and "active" LED, nothing about not being full LED with standard. Active usually just means it turns when the car turns. package is $800

I would say the standard seats are the same as the M3 seats, the performance seats are $2500 extra on the S and are more like race seats. Mercedes AMG seats are excellent though, the last gen C63 blew away the M3, I know BMW has improved but I doubt they are better than the standard AMG.

Mercedes offers stuff like comfort access for only $250 as a stand alone (vs M3 having to get a $4000 package) but then to get side and rear shades they want $820 combined which is insane.

I have to say though, $8,000 for the S over the standard and it includes:
-nappa leather seats and dash, door tops ($2590 option on non S)
-19" Wheels (no pricing yet, BMW is $1200 option)
-upgraded AMG Red brakes ($500 option)
-AMG Performance steering wheel ($500 option)

So thats $4790 worth of optional equipment on a standard C63, meaning for $3,210 you get:
-power upgrade, 34 HP, 37 Torque
-Active engine mounts
-electronic limited slip (vs mechanical)
-factory warranty on "tune"

not too bad, sure you could probably tune the engine to that for $1200 meaning you are paying $2,000 for electronic slip and active engine mounts, but I doubt BMW will offer its "competition package" for less than $3200

I am still on the fence between the C63 and M3, but the HORRID color choices on the Mercedes (exterior that is, love their interior choices) has me still leaning towards the M3. The closest Mercedes has to a "color" is a very dark blue (lunar blue) since they aren't offering the bright blue and bright red colors in the US, even if they were they are $1515 optional colors since they are "designo" like the diamond white (aka mineral white which BMW only charges $550 for)

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by solstice

Two Porsches suggested. Now there's a surprise

LOL.. He is always like this... no surprise at all

[ixse]

Originally Posted by Mako

I just looked over the full pricing and you are right, no NAV standard, that shocks me! $2690 for the multimedia package (which has a rearview camera as well), that puts Mercedes $2000+ higher than BMW.

the lighting package just says it adds auto high beam and "active" LED, nothing about not being full LED with standard. Active usually just means it turns when the car turns. package is $800

I would say the standard seats are the same as the M3 seats, the performance seats are $2500 extra on the S and are more like race seats. Mercedes AMG seats are excellent though, the last gen C63 blew away the M3, I know BMW has improved but I doubt they are better than the standard AMG.

Mercedes offers stuff like comfort access for only $250 as a stand alone (vs M3 having to get a $4000 package) but then to get side and rear shades they want $820 combined which is insane.

I have to say though, $8,000 for the S over the standard and it includes:
-nappa leather seats and dash, door tops ($2590 option on non S)
-19" Wheels (no pricing yet, BMW is $1200 option)
-upgraded AMG Red brakes ($500 option)
-AMG Performance steering wheel ($500 option)

So thats $4790 worth of optional equipment on a standard C63, meaning for $3,210 you get:
-power upgrade, 34 HP, 37 Torque
-Active engine mounts
-electronic limited slip (vs mechanical)
-factory warranty on "tune"

not too bad, sure you could probably tune the engine to that for $1200 meaning you are paying $2,000 for electronic slip and active engine mounts, but I doubt BMW will offer its "competition package" for less than $3200

I am still on the fence between the C63 and M3, but the HORRID color choices on the Mercedes (exterior that is, love their interior choices) has me still leaning towards the M3. The closest Mercedes has to a "color" is a very dark blue (lunar blue) since they aren't offering the bright blue and bright red colors in the US, even if they were they are $1515 optional colors since they are "designo" like the diamond white (aka mineral white which BMW only charges $550 for)

$1200 tune on reg c63 will put you around 600hp as demonstrated by amg gt-s tune. I really dont see the need for e-diff and active engine mounts. C63 is more of daily.. Add the options needed on base model to about $68000, get a tune from reputable tuner. You have under 70k 600hp german muscle car.

[NorCal f80]

I'd probably get a c63 over m3 if the rear and tails of the 63 didn't look so ugly. Ruined.

[gxman]

The C300 and C400 are seeing 10+% type mark downs from MSRP. Some are even claiming 9-10K off a 50-60K car.
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...llenge-21.html

I wonder if after a few months from debut, if 7% off will easily be had on the C63.

Corvettes(non Z06), 9% off MSRP is standard.

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by ixse

$1200 tune on reg c63 will put you around 600hp as demonstrated by amg gt-s tune. I really dont see the need for e-diff and active engine mounts. C63 is more of daily.. Add the options needed on base model to about $68000, get a tune from reputable tuner. You have under 70k 600hp german muscle car.

If tuning is getting brought into this I'd rather buy a proper muscle car, the Hellcat, as for 68k 99% of people won't want to invalidate their 4-year warranty or go aftermarket. That said, I prefer German cars but a LSD is essential so M3 or C63S are the options.

[ixse]

Originally Posted by Carl L

If tuning is getting brought into this I'd rather buy a proper muscle car, the Hellcat, as for 68k 99% of people won't want to invalidate their 4-year warranty or go aftermarket. That said, I prefer German cars but a LSD is essential so M3 or C63S are the options.

Reg c63 has lsd. Its just mechanical. Plus even without tune, c63 perf is limited by traction anyway. Reason for exact same 0-60 time for s vs non-s. All im saying is if you really wanted that extra 20-30hp for s version, you could easily surpass that with simple ecu tune

[Revcrazy]

Originally Posted by gxman

The C300 and C400 are seeing 10+% type mark downs from MSRP. Some are even claiming 9-10K off a 50-60K car.
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...llenge-21.html

I wonder if after a few months from debut, if 7% off will easily be had on the C63.

Corvettes(non Z06), 9% off MSRP is standard.

AMG's arent sold in great numbers, so getting 7% off seems unlikely.

If it's an M3/4, invoice plus 500-600 is what you should pay.

[Brosef]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Here's the C63's clock:

that's awesome. as an IWC owner, I would absolutely love that

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

AMG's arent sold in great numbers, so getting 7% off seems unlikely.

.

Absolutely incorrect. AMG sell 30,000 cars per year. Nice cars but it's very easy to get huge discounts on them. One engine one man, you have to be on something to fall for that one.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

If it's an M3/4, invoice plus 500-600 is what you should pay.

Could you please PM me details of the sales person you worked with to get that deal?

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Could you please PM me details of the sales person you worked with to get that deal?

Nah, have it posted publicly. Would be interesting to see if there's any truth to the claim. I got a smoking deal on my E92 but doubt we'll see similar for the F80 for another year or two.

[Jehuty95]

Originally Posted by Carl L

One engine one man, you have to be on something to fall for that one.

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by gxman

The C300 and C400 are seeing 10+% type mark downs from MSRP. Some are even claiming 9-10K off a 50-60K car.
http://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w2...llenge-21.html

I wonder if after a few months from debut, if 7% off will easily be had on the C63.

Corvettes(non Z06), 9% off MSRP is standard.

The AMG version will be hard to get deals on for at least a year lol If anything the car is going to be marked up at most dealerships.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by Carl L

Nah, have it posted publicly. Would be interesting to see if there's any truth to the claim. I got a smoking deal on my E92 but doubt we'll see similar for the F80 for another year or two.

Same here. If I could walk into a dealership and get that pricing, I'd be a happy camper. And probably buy a M3 a year earlier than currently planning...

[Mako]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

The AMG version will be hard to get deals on for at least a year lol If anything the car is going to be marked up at most dealerships.

sure, they will try to mark it up, but the truth is numbers don't lie, every new car like the M3/C63/RS4 is going to have a bottleneck for the first 3-6 months and then open up wide after that, look at the M3/M4 right now. The early adapters will pay MSRP and Mercedes will gladly accept, then come next November/December I bet 5% off will be common.

I got $10,000 off my 2009 C63 (5 miles on it) and it was technically only 1/2 model year old at the time, granted that was also during some pretty horrible economic times.

The truth is the BMW is less expensive equipped the same way with maintenance plans included, now add to that the awesome lease deals (66% residual on a M3 with 10,000 miles, Mercedes is going to be about 52-54% on the C63) and the fact that you can get $3500 off sticker (lets say 5%), plus even more if you do Euro Delivery (don't think Mercedes will offer Alabama delivery at a 7% discount). As said above, sure they will get MSRP for a few months, then we will see discounts. I still can't believe the only "color" they will be offering in the US is a dark blue (Lunar Blue).

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by Jehuty95

[]

You're a teenager, your post history here makes for cringe worthy reading. I've owned a few MBs over the years, including an AMG I enjoyed.

Now, please either add something of value (i.e.. explain how AMG it is possible that AMG can handbuild their engines at the volume they produce) or go away.

[amanuuh]

Originally Posted by Mako

sure, they will try to mark it up, but the truth is numbers don't lie, every new car like the M3/C63/RS4 is going to have a bottleneck for the first 3-6 months and then open up wide after that, look at the M3/M4 right now. The early adapters will pay MSRP and Mercedes will gladly accept, then come next November/December I bet 5% off will be common.

I got $10,000 off my 2009 C63 (5 miles on it) and it was technically only 1/2 model year old at the time, granted that was also during some pretty horrible economic times.

The truth is the BMW is less expensive equipped the same way with maintenance plans included, now add to that the awesome lease deals (66% residual on a M3 with 10,000 miles, Mercedes is going to be about 52-54% on the C63) and the fact that you can get $3500 off sticker (lets say 5%), plus even more if you do Euro Delivery (don't think Mercedes will offer Alabama delivery at a 7% discount). As said above, sure they will get MSRP for a few months, then we will see discounts. I still can't believe the only "color" they will be offering in the US is a dark blue (Lunar Blue).

Yeah there will definitely be discounts down the road. Most likely after 6 months. That's the case with all cars though. Same goes with the M3. People were getting good prices after 6 months. The C63 is going to be no different.

I don't really care for the colors. I usually always get white anyways. I do love me some YMB though. I definitely would have gotten YMB if I got the M3.

[Roadkiller]

I'm curious about the late release of the 2015s. When will MB begin production on the 2016 C63s? In any case, I think getting one of these at MSRP is a great deal. No doubt they will be heavily marked up by most dealers.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Mako

66% residual on a M3 with 10,000 miles.

Is it really that high right now?

[Mako]

Originally Posted by amanuuh

Yeah there will definitely be discounts down the road. Most likely after 6 months. That's the case with all cars though. Same goes with the M3. People were getting good prices after 6 months. The C63 is going to be no different.

I don't really care for the colors. I usually always get white anyways. I do love me some YMB though. I definitely would have gotten YMB if I got the M3.

So AW on the C63 or the $1515 Diamond White Designo?

Just seems like a crazy price for "Mercedes Mineral White" and since its a 3 step process I would worry about ever having to repaint part of the car and matching it.

Also Mercedes for some reason doesn't think US buyers would want the 360 camera, its offered in Europe but not in the US, seems a bit odd (since they are all made here). So shitty color choices (unless you like Black, White, or Gray shades) and no surround camera, plus ipad navigation screen, I want to like Mercedes but they are doing some really stupid things.

I am thinking just get a 2016 M3, then in 3-4 years if Mercedes offers up some real colors and maybe gives the AWD option I will make the switch (for the C63S they really should have AWD, lots of power to put down). Although that would make my C63S build around $88,000 ($86,000 as I would build it now, plus ~$2,000 AWD)

I do have to hand it to them on the CCB cost though, $5750 I believe, not bad, cheapest I have ever seen it offered!