Malfunction :Intake and exhaust camshaft code 130E20

[M4 Dream]

I was 120 mile away from home when this malfunction came, I took to BMW dealer close from where I was and the result doesn't look to good.

This is the report intake and exhaust camshaft code 130E20 : angle deviation with respect to crankshaft outside tolerance.

The dealer told me to bring the car to the dealer where I live which is NYC. The mechanic said that they are going to have to open the engine to see what happened. Anyone with this same issue before ?

My car is the first production June 2014.

[M4 Dream]

No good news. The dealer just told me that rev Rpm went to 8400. They are waiting for engineers

[AM4ZING]

Originally Posted by M4 Dream

No good news. The dealer just told me that rev Rpm went to 8400. They are waiting for engineers

Ouch. Is your car a 6mt?

[M4 Dream]

Yes, it is

[JamesGames]

You just forgot to mention you money shifted in the original post?

[kitesurfer]

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1163531

I would start by reading this thread and get with you dealer. Please report back if this thread relates to your porblem
Good luck

[mike@x-ph.com]

Sorry about that OP, let us know how it goes with your dealer

[Amgeater2]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Sorry about that OP, let us know how it goes with your dealer

+1

[dmk08]

I have 6mt and sometimes the rev match goes off on an upshift. Dont know why but its scary with the few overrev posts we have seen. Has happened multiple times in my car.

[///bproden]

Seems like this issue is way to common. I can't imagine another year or two, how many more engine failures will be the result of these "money shifts".

[doberzus]

Like I said in another thread, all these "money shift" threads are making me reconsider the 6MT. Even though I have had nothing but great experiences with manual performance cars in the past.

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Like I said in another thread, all these "money shift" threads are making me reconsider the 6MT. Even though I have had nothing but great experiences with manual performance cars in the past.

Why are you reconsidering? Manual transmission have been around for decades - this should be no different... the transmission these days are much better and easier than they used to be as well. Nothing changed for the worse!

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

Why are you reconsidering? Manual transmission have been around for decades - this should be no different... the transmission these days are much better and easier than they used to be as well. Nothing changed for the worse!

Manual transmissions with auto rev-matching have not existed for decades. I have read people stating that it even revs on WOT up shifts?!

I have been on 1addcits, Evo, and STI forums and have never seen so many over revs, money shifts, shot motor issues(because of said issues) on one particular car(M3/M4)

Am I missing something? Maybe a correlation with rev-matching?! Not sure... Just these threads popping up everywhere are frustrating.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Manual transmissions with auto rev-matching have not existed for decades. I have read people stating that it even revs on WOT up shifts?!

This is HIGHLY unlikely. This would be a major software error on BMW's part.

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Manual transmissions with auto rev-matching have not existed for decades. I have read people stating that it even revs on WOT up shifts?!

I have been on 1addcits, Evo, and STI forums and have never seen so many over revs, money shifts, shot motor issues(because of said issues) on one particular car(M3/M4)

Am I missing something? Maybe a correlation with rev-matching?! Not sure... Just these threads popping up everywhere are frustrating.

These over revs are NOT the M3/M4 rev-matching abilities.. it's DRIVER error, as in going from redline in 3rd and trying to go into 4th, but accidentally going into second, bumping the RPMS up 1000+rpms from redline. These are physically FORCED over-revs, not the ECU blipping the throttle...

ZERO correlation with rev-matching.. the only correlation I can think of is an inexperienced driver thinking the computer has a limiter, and forcing the car into a lower gear thinking the car will either

1) rev-match to correct rpm or
2) NOT do it due to the "limiter"

Regardless, it all comes down to driver error.. Just because the car rev-matches for you doesn't mean it's a safety nanny in preventing driver error

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

These over revs are NOT the M3/M4 rev-matching abilities.. it's DRIVER error, as in going from redline in 3rd and trying to go into 4th, but accidentally going into second, bumping the RPMS up 1000+rpms from redline. These are physically FORCED over-revs, not the ECU blipping the throttle...

ZERO correlation with rev-matching.. the only correlation I can think of is an inexperienced driver thinking the computer has a limiter, and forcing the car into a lower gear thinking the car will either

1) rev-match to correct rpm or
2) NOT do it due to the "limiter"

Regardless, it all comes down to driver error.. Just because the car rev-matches for you doesn't mean it's a safety nanny in preventing driver error

I understand that it's a mechanical over rev due to driver error, I get that. I was implying that maybe there was a correlation?! Just speculating.

My point is why does it seem to have been occurring so often on these cars(M3/M4.) Coincidence?! Or just careless shifting/drivers? That is what I am trying to get at.

I loved my 6 speed 135, I couldn't image ever mis-shifting in that car(very smooth.) I can only imagine how nice the M3 6 speed manual is going to be.

[MyFragileHalogen]

I too think this is a sad driver error, although there could be a possibility of software bug that cause auto rev matching to go over the limiter. You guys think computer is perfect, but it's a human who writes the program. (and hardware is not perfect as well)

I think they should educate buyers when they buy a performance car like M and make them aware of the danger of money shift. Although they won't never, given $40k extra income for each money shift. We are human and prone to errors, so I am thankful to this forum that educates me about all sort of precautions.

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by doberzus

I understand that it's a mechanical over rev due to driver error, I get that. I was implying that maybe there was a correlation?! Just speculating.

My point is why does it seem to have been occurring so often on these cars(M3/M4.) Coincidence?! Or just careless shifting/drivers? That is what I am trying to get at.

I loved my 6 speed 135, I couldn't image ever mis-shifting in that car(very smooth.) I can only imagine how nice the M3 6 speed manual is going to be.

Couple of problems with the way you're thinking right now, let me try to alleviate your worries (if you are ordering a manual )

1) Correlation does not mean causation
2) Count how many people you've seen money shifted
3) Statistics / research 101 states sample size must be large enough for a hypothesis to be proven

Now forget the scientific mumbo jumbo trash I just spewed (I did 2 years in organic chemical research) I'm just trying to say, don't let the few bad apples ruin your fun.

And you have to understand that people are going to come onto this forum, claim something is wrong with their car, and then rant about how crappy the manual is and should've gotten DCT, yada yada

How many people are posting that they are not money shifting? Do you understand where I'm getting at with this?

IMO, Don't worry.. enjoy your car, shift properly (yes there is a way to shift to avoid going into wrong gear, as in rearranging your hand position for every gear shift you want to go into)

For example:
1st to 2nd, should be palms down, slightly opened towards driver, and pull naturally towards driver
2nd to 3rd, rotate palms towards third gear, push up and away from driver
3rd to 4th, palms down, rotate towards 4th gear, pull directly down and slightly away with fingers/palm
4th to 5th, same as 2nd to 3rd, just push up up and away
5th to 6th, rotate palm and point fingers towards passenger, pull down and away

This method works well for me. I highly recommend NOT to pistol grip the shifter as that gives the natural tendency to shift into gears that are closer to the driver (lower gears) and low and behold you know what occurs then.. You should be slightly adjusting hand positions based on what I explained above.. some might say this is all trash and BS, but once you get the concept and are fluid, you'll be flicking that manual with precision and ease..

My 2 cents..

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Manual transmissions with auto rev-matching have not existed for decades. I have read people stating that it even revs on WOT up shifts?!

I have been on 1addcits, Evo, and STI forums and have never seen so many over revs, money shifts, shot motor issues(because of said issues) on one particular car(M3/M4)

Am I missing something? Maybe a correlation with rev-matching?! Not sure... Just these threads popping up everywhere are frustrating.

There are about 200 members of this forum that have an F8X with 6MT. There are probably hundreds more that are not on this forum. Out of those hundreds of 6 MT cars, what is the percentage of "money shifts"? Very low - and would be less if owners were more careful.

Don't think the fear of "money shifts" should influence your choice.

[doberzus]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Like I said, not my first, nor will it be my last(if they still make them) manual transmission car.

I will listen to your advice and not let others spoil my fun, 6 speed MT it is

[MyFragileHalogen]

Originally Posted by darge82

Educate buyers about what? How to drive a stick shift vehicle? This is not a BMW problem. This is a DRIVER ERROR problem. Plain and simple. This has nothing to do with being aware of what can happen. It can happen on a Honda Civic.

Go take ANY vehicle with a stick shift transmission and an INTERFERENCE engine. Go wide open in 3rd gear to redline, when you hit redline, shift it into 2nd and let go of the clutch. Proceed to reply to this thread with what parts you picked up off of the ground.

This has NOTHING to do with BMW engineering. This has nothing to do with a software glitch. This has nothing to do with Rev Matching. This single handedly has everything to do with driver error and people not knowing how to drive. Case closed.

I am a tech for BMW. We get cars in ALL the time for money shifts. Not just M cars, but anything, cars that have way less power and no rev match feature. 328s, 528s, S85 M5s, we have seen it. I have seen it on other Manufacturer lines as well. Its not just BMW specific.

Its specific to a small breed of people that should not be driving a stick shift.

I am not trying to blame BMW or others. It's just weird seeing so many money shifts lately and sad for those who perhaps didn't have anyone telling them about it before they've done it. Here a lot of people are highly knowledgeable and experienced with performance cars, but there are a lot of ordinary drivers or a little more who's learning (like me). If I had come directly from my old '01 Civic 5mt that never was revved above 3k, I would have gloriously done it after a short time of beginning to enjoy higher rpm.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by MyFragileHalogen

I am not trying to blame BMW or others. It's just weird seeing so many money shifts lately and sad for those who perhaps didn't have anyone telling them about it before they've done it. Here a lot of people are highly knowledgeable and experienced with performance cars, but there are a lot of ordinary drivers or a little more who's learning (like me). If I had come directly from my old '01 Civic 5mt that never was revved above 3k, I would have gloriously done it after a short time of beginning to enjoy higher rpm.

Did you ever do it on your Civic? No, then why would you do it on a BMW?