Sapphire Black M4 GTS w/681M CF wheels arrives in US

[VCP]

Wow, just wow.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by BEMR

B7's also limited production 1000 or less worldwide, it's the production limitation that should cause a slowing of depreciation and or appreciation, but it doesn't always go that way.

I wouldn't use a B7 as a barometer for the GTS.

[BEMR]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

I wouldn't use a B7 as a barometer for the GTS.

Me either, just the limited production part. That part plays a bigger role than most guys think.

[thecurryman]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

I could see the E9x M3 GTS 10-20 years down the road being the more appreciable asset. It is the last of the normally aspirated limited edition M3's. As far as the M4 GTS goes, it will be hot for a few years. But now that BMW has stated recently they are going to build more limited models and actually bring them to the US. I don't see the M4 GTS having those special attributes that help it appreciate in the longer term. The next gen M4 will be a more advanced turbo car and will get a GTS/CSL model. It will surely bump the M4 GTS down a knotch. By then most of the original owners will have probably moved on, selling the the car while its hot.

This is exactly how I view the M4 GTS...

The e92 GTS I understand the value...last/only V8 NA in an M3 which itself is a beautiful engine...

But the M4 GTS? Would I ever pay 200k for this car? Absolutely but only after Ive owned every other car worth 200k. It may "appreciate" but we dont know that for sure...its not like the 1M where BMW is never going to build one again. Theres gonna be another M4 GTS based on the next gen of M4 which will be superior in every way to this M4GTS.. Explain how the "value" is still going to appreciate? Its not some super special engine, sure it has water injection from the factor but eventually that tech will Come to the regular M4.

Dont get me wrong, sure its a beautiful car and is amazing to drive. I believe that, but would I pick it over a Gt3? Or a v10 R8?

On a side note, how do you think it would cost to visually make an m4 look like this GTS?

[jphughan]

I can see the comparisons to the GT3, but I'm puzzled to see the R8 being mentioned so many times in a discussion about the M4 GTS. Have any of the people mentioning it ever driven one? I got to drive my buddy's V10 6MT a couple of times on twisty roads and it was a letdown -- basically a powerful and very pretty but overly cushy grand tourer, where I was expecting more of a driver's car. Maybe it would be more appreciated by people who live in areas full of wide-open, straight empty roads rather than twisty roads like we've got out here. Anyhow, I did a write-up thinking about it in comparison to my GT4 and previous E92 M3 in another thread for anyone who's interested:

Originally Posted by jphughan

The R8 was one of my bucket list cars as well, so I sort of hated my friend when he first got it (before the GT4 existed). But I've now driven it twice out on Hill Country roads out here, once before and once after I got the GT4, and the simplest way to say it is that Audi's (semi-)supercar simply has too much Audi in it. The steering is numb and criminally overboosted (which all Audi models are, but I'd have expected better on the R8), and the suspension is a bit too soft even in the firmer setting. But my two biggest letdowns were the shifter and the noise, probably because those were where I'd expected to be wowed the most. Everyone raved about the "snick-snick" sound of the R8's open-faced shifter. I thought that was the sound that it made going into and out of gears -- turns out it's the noise it makes scraping against the walls of the gate! The shifter also doesn't have a lot of heft to it, and the gates are pretty narrow considering the width of the "dividers", so shifting felt flimsy rather than meaty, and an aggressive 2>3 shift carried a reasonable risk that you'd slam into the divider between 1st and 3rd rather than engaging 3rd. And I couldn't believe (in a bad way) how quiet the car was considering that there was a big 5.2L V10 right behind me. It was also kind of slow to rev compared to the S65, presumably because it had so much more rotating mass. In a lot of ways I thought the S65 gave the M3 more "theater" to its driving experience, which is especially disappointing considering that the R8's MSRP was 2.5x higher than my M3's. I don't know if Audi just had a mandate to keep the Gallardo adequately differentiated or if they deliberately designed the R8 for their A8/S8 customers who wanted a supercar that drove like an A8/S8, but considering how gorgeous it looks on the outside, I was disappointed behind the wheel.

So that was my first experience with it. The second time, I'd had my GT4 for a while and my friend had gotten a Capristo exhaust for his R8, and this time I drove it on a road with much tighter corners. On that drive I noticed how heavy the R8 is. I didn't notice before since it's 100 lbs lighter than the E92 and the corners were more sweepers, but it's 600 lbs heavier than a GT4, and having experienced the superior agility of the GT4 over my M3, I was left wanting with the R8. The Capristo exhaust definitely cured the sound problem (for $6K....), to the point that it was now a bit too loud for my taste, but it was still much better overall. But the other problem that these really twisty roads surfaced for me is that it just has too much power to be totally fun, at least in that setting -- instead, it's fun tainted too much by fear. The acceleration pulls I had were definitely exhilarating, thanks in no small part to AWD helping put all that power down, but getting all the way to redline in 2nd was frightening because of the rate of acceleration. The M3 (and GT4 for that matter) by comparison offer more than you need on public roads, but not so much more that it becomes LESS fun. I don't know, maybe I'd get more accustomed to the speed if I drove it on a regular basis. My M3 after all felt ludicrously quick to me when I first got it, and then after a while just felt "fun fast" as I adapted, though it always impressed/scared my friends who weren't used to performance cars. But I can't help but think that there's got to be a tipping point somewhere beyond which you do not acclimate fully, and the R8 V10 may be beyond that point. My buddy the owner drives it like a grandma, sadly, so he can't offer any insight here.

I'm reminded of the Evo 2015 CotY contest, specifically the evaluations of the GT3RS and 488 wherein they said that although both of those were phenomenal cars, both of them compared to their predecessors were just giving you more of what you can't use on public roads, whereas the GT4 won because it had plenty of power to be fun on public roads but not so much that you had to either be suicidal or just leave a huge chunk of the car's reserves untapped in that setting. I never thought I'd find myself wishing for less power in a car, and if it weren't for twisty back road driving I probably wouldn't for the R8 either, but the GT4 seems much better suited to that type of driving. The back to back experience just reinforced to me that not all fast cars are fun, and not all fun cars are fast. In my view, the GT4 strikes a very nice balance in the way it's fast without being scary fast, which allows it to be capable on track while remaining very fun on the road, arguably more fun than both some slower cars AND some faster cars.

[bluekn8286]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Rumored manual option coming for .2.

Yup! That is why I did that

[M3tallicar]

Originally Posted by bluekn8286

Yup! That is why I did that

+ 4.0L engine.

[davey111483]

anyone know the specs on those carbon wheels?

[C_Treadwell]

Did anyone else notice that those CF wheels are a $15k upgrade?

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by C_Treadwell

Did anyone else notice that those CF wheels are a $15k upgrade?

They're a port installed or dealer fitted accessory. If they were port installed, that's the buyers loss as they will only have one set of wheels. The pricing isn't new news, but perhaps you missed it previously.

[schnell325]

Originally Posted by MilehighM3

They're a port installed or dealer fitted accessory. If they were port installed, that's the buyers loss as they will only have one set of wheels. The pricing isn't new news, but perhaps you missed it previously.

Yup. I'd buy them after the purchase of the GTS to have the 666s as a second set

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by schnell325

Yup. I'd buy them after the purchase of the GTS to have the 666s as a second set

here you go!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-M4-GTS-C...JXbEVo&vxp=mtr

[pruettfan]

My only chance of getting one is if I win the BMWCCA raffle.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

My only chance of getting one is if I win the BMWCCA raffle.

Same here. I figure $200 worth of tickets was worth the chance. I expect the same results as the once or twice a year I drop $20 on a powerball jackpot.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by schnell325

Yup. I'd buy them after the purchase of the GTS to have the 666s as a second set

Exactly. A good friend of mine that's getting a GTS ordered them as well about 3 months ago. They came in a few weeks ago, but the car is just starting production. The way we see it is if there's a part or accessory available for the car, he needs to have it to make it that much more desirable as a collector down the road.

[williemandowa]

This is the sickest one I've seen especially with those carbon fiber wheels

[Draper]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Well, since someone already mentioned $200k... it's a tough sell considering what you can get in today's new car market (mclaren, gt3 RS, turbo S, hurancan, GTR AMG) and not to mention the used car market as well as the 'less prestigious' cars that are nearly as fast or faster (Z06, GT-R,GT350R) for less money.

The GTS is already twice as much as a regular M4 so you'd definitely have to find the right buyer.

GT3 RS for under $200k?

[odiesback]

I would love to have one if I had the money available... I checked it out in person and it was all-around jaw dropping...

[nate340]

is it just me or is it really embarrassing that these BMW dealers have the rear wing end plates on backwards?

[M3tallicar]

Originally Posted by nate340

is it just me or is it really embarrassing that these BMW dealers have the rear wing end plates on backwards?

FYI, US Dealers have to deliver the GTS with the US spec winglet orientation per the GTS Technical Training Guide.

[TonyL128]

I was offered a GTS at MSRP yesterday. Is it worth it?

[schnell325]

Originally Posted by TonyL128

I was offered a GTS at MSRP yesterday. Is it worth it?

Yes