M4 Club Sport coming for MY2018

[mrgicm]

None of them will beat a standard m4 with remap and coilovers so whats the point?

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by mrgicm

None of them will beat a standard m4 with remap and coilovers so whats the point?

Factory warranty...

[DL3]

Like purchasing a ZHP is some sort of tragic mistake. Always something better right around the corner, such is life.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Mikecom32

Does this coincide with the start of production for the LCI M4?

Do you have a link to a source for this? I've been looking through the forums and have been having trouble finding anything but pure speculation about the LCI M4 production date.

As far as I know, it is indeed all speculation thus far.

[Someone?]

Love that High kick coupe wing, the flatter one I have isn't as cool

[Powerslide]

When you look at how Chevy's 1LE package makes MASSIVE improvements to the SS's laptimes, with no hp or torque increase whatsoever - I would love it if BMW did a 1LE counterpart for the M3/M4 - I would pay for it in a second if it were no more than an $5-7k package.

After tracking my own M3 multiple times - as great and incredibly fun of a chassis as the F80 is stock right out of the box - I would take suspension/chassis upgrades over hp/torque upgrades in a second. I think the stock M3/M4 with 425hp/406 lb/ft already has plenty of power - give me better cornering first, then I'd take hp/torque second...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

When you look at how Chevy's 1LE package makes MASSIVE improvements to the SS's laptimes, with no hp or torque increase whatsoever - I would love it if BMW did a 1LE counterpart for the M3/M4 - I would pay for it in a second if it were no more than an $5-7k package.

After tracking my own M3 multiple times - as great and incredibly fun of a chassis as the F80 is stock right out of the box - I would take suspension/chassis upgrades over hp/torque upgrades in a second. I think the stock M3/M4 with 425hp/406 lb/ft already has plenty of power - give me better cornering first, then I'd take hp/torque second...

I am also following this rumored CS with much interest. I would also very much like a more track focused variant of the M4 that retains the daily practicality. The M4 GTS was tempting, but they took way too much of the practicality out of it for my needs, so I passed. Something in the vein of the E46 M3 CSL or E90 M3 CRT would fit the bill perfectly for me. I'll be replacing my 2015 M4 next summer, if the package and price point of that CS edition is right, I'm in .

[Powerslide]

If the rumor that start of production for the M3/M4 Club Sport will by July 2017 is true, then the details should hopefully be released within the next few months (including pricing). I just hope the price is much closer to the ZCP than the GTS. Finger crossed...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

If the rumor that start of production for the M3/M4 Club Sport will by July 2017 is true, then the details should hopefully be released within the next few months (including pricing). I just hope the price is much closer to the ZCP than the GTS. Finger crossed...

I think the pricing will be highly dependent on what engine (or rather engine tune) will be in the car.

Rumors of an S55 in the M2-CS and that GTS hood on the M4-CS has me thinking a water injected S55 could be lurking under there .

My guess for price is smack in the middle of a base M4 and the GTS (~$100kUSD+options)

[Powerslide]

Yeah - $100k for the water-injected S55 - very tempting, but I think my wife would divorce me... Looks like non-water injected S55 for this guy if the CS is $100k

[Throttleblip]

Originally Posted by daffyduck

Could this club sport model lead to a performance increase of the standard 431hp (w/o ZCP) model, too? Anyone got any information on that?

Hp will be in between ZCP and GTS

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Throttleblip

Hp will be in between ZCP and GTS

IMO it is not impossible to believe that the CS will "supersede" the CP altogether. With the rumors that the base M4 will be getting the current CP 450hp tune and that the M2 CS will be getting an S55 with ~400hp, an M4 CS with 460~500hp is not an impossibility.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

With the rumors that the base M4 will be getting the current CP 450hp tune and that the M2 CS will be getting an S55 with ~400hp, an M4 CS with 460~500hp is not an impossibility.

True. However, two forum members with known access to inside information (ynguldyn and Sickfinga) are pretty adamant that the M4 CS will have the same output as the existing M3/M4 ZCP.

I do think that there is more to come for the water injected S55, just not convinced yet that it will be a part of the new CS. I certainly hope that it is though.

As for the M4 CS superseding the M4 ZCP, that is a bit more believable. It would sort of leave the lineup in a strange place since the M3 and M4 convertible would obviously continue without the CS additions. Wouldn't necessarily be a problem, though, just kind of an interesting divergence.

And about increasing the power in the base model - unless you give not only the M4 CS water injection (which, as I say, looks unlikely right now to me), but also the M3 ZCP and M4 convertible ZCP too, you're now looking at a less compelling content for that package on those models (no more power increase). So you have to lower the price. Is that really going to increase profit? Not obvious to me that it will. Oh, but you might say that they will make up for it with a healthy increase to the base price instead. Fat chance, I say.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

True. However, two forum members with known access to inside information (ynguldyn and Sickfinga) are pretty adamant that the M4 CS will have the same output as the existing M3/M4 ZCP.

I do think that there is more to come for the water injected S55, just not convinced yet that it will be a part of the new CS. I certainly hope that it is though.

As for the M4 CS superseding the M4 ZCP, that is a bit more believable. It would sort of leave the lineup in a strange place since the M3 and M4 convertible would obviously continue without the CS additions. Wouldn't necessarily be a problem, though, just kind of an interesting divergence.

And about increasing the power in the base model - unless you give not only the M4 CS water injection (which, as I say, looks unlikely right now to me), but also the M3 ZCP and M4 convertible ZCP too, you're now looking at a less compelling content for that package on those models (no more power increase). So you have to lower the price. Is that really going to increase profit? Not obvious to me that it will. Oh, but you might say that they will make up for it with a healthy increase to the base price instead. Fat chance, I say.

The rumour mill is strong in German publications

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...8-1034626.html
http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuhe...chnische-daten
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-m...-10662803.html
http://www.autozeitung.de/auto-neuhe...e-daten-preise

[Throttleblip]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

IMO it is not impossible to believe that the CS will "supersede" the CP altogether. With the rumors that the base M4 will be getting the current CP 450hp tune and that the M2 CS will be getting an S55 with ~400hp, an M4 CS with 460~500hp is not an impossibility.

I understand but it will be a new model with more Hp than the zcp. Happy new year!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Throttleblip

I understand but it will be a new model with more Hp than the zcp. Happy new year!

My point is based on the Auto-Motor-und-Sport article referenced above, where they mention that BMW ///M might start using the CS designation for higher power versions similarly as AMG does with the -S designation on their models. Everything is speculation/rumours at this point, so you could very well be right .

Happy new year to you too