6MT or DCT?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by boss2k

Absolutely its not rocket science and even dumb people drive manuals, when you ask basic questions on how manual is more engaging than automatic makes me wonder whether u have actually driven a manual car or not.

I wonder how many people actually looked up the definition of "engaging" .

I would argue that a MT is NOT de facto more engaging than a DCT. It all depends on perspective and opinion. I personally find DCT more "engaging" for the performance benefits it provides.

I however agree that a MT is more involving than a DCT, because it requires the driver to physically participate more in the activity of changing gears.

[f80er]

Weird that MT is winning this poll but dollars to donuts there are way more DCT cars on the road and this forum.

What gives?

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I wonder how many people actually looked up the definition of "engaging" .

I would argue that a MT is NOT de facto more engaging than a DCT. It all depends on perspective and opinion. I personally find DCT more "engaging" for the performance benefits it provides.

I however agree that a MT is more involving than a DCT, because it requires the driver to physically participate more in the activity of changing gears.

How can DCT be more engaging when it's a glorified AT transmission?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by boss2k

How can DCT be more engaging when it's a glorified AT transmission?

Because it's faster.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Because it's faster.

At the limit for sure, since you can focus purely on the track line and braking. Daily driving and weekend excursions, not so much.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

At the limit for sure, since you can focus purely on the track line and braking. Daily driving and weekend excursions, not so much.

Mainly because you don't stop accelerating for 0.2~0.5 seconds (depending on driver skill) everytime you upshift. That is true on the DD and on track.

[420Coupe]

Originally Posted by f80er

Weird that MT is winning this poll but dollars to donuts there are way more DCT cars on the road and this forum.

What gives?

You're on an enthusiast forum; given i would think most enthusiast prefer the traditional three pedals.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Mainly because you don't stop accelerating for 0.2~0.5 seconds (depending on driver skill) everytime you upshift. That is true on the DD and on track.

You are never at the limit on the road. Track is entirely different. It's simply not comparable in any way shape or form. I'm sure some people think they are pushing the limit on the road. In that case, that's just inexperience talking, or stupidity.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

You are never at the limit on the road. Track is entirely different. It's simply not comparable in any way shape or form. I'm sure some people think they are pushing the limit on the road. In that case, that's just inexperience talking, or stupidity.

You never do WOT accelerations on the road?

But regardless, my chosing DCT is mainly for the performance advantage it provides on the track. My earlier points were about the definition of "engaging", which means attractive, appealing, pleasant, tending to draw favorable attention or interest . DCT is more appealing and attractive to me because of the performance advantage it offers. 6MT is more attractive, appealing to others because of the involvment it provides. Each chose whatever they prefer and it is great that BMW is still offering the choice with the F8X. But saying that a 6MT is de facto more engaging than a DCT is either having a very narrow minded view or not understanding what "engaging" means.

[Aaaaaaaaa]

I will probably never track because am poser so 6MT provides more enjoyment in daily driving. If I went DCT I know I would leave it in the softest auto setting 99% of the time which defeats the purpose of it. Besides I'd get the Guilia over the M3 if I was forced to get a AT.

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You never do WOT accelerations on the road?

But regardless, my chosing DCT is mainly for the performance advantage it provides on the track. My earlier points were about the definition of "engaging", which means attractive, appealing, pleasant, tending to draw favorable attention or interest . DCT is more appealing and attractive to me because of the performance advantage it offers. 6MT is more attractive, appealing to others because of the involvment it provides. Each chose whatever they prefer and it is great that BMW is still offering the choice with the F8X. But saying that a 6MT is de facto more engaging than a DCT is either having a very narrow minded view or not understanding what "engaging" means.

Your selective definition of the word engaging does not encompass all meanings/uses of the word.

Ultimately I agree with you, choice is key and it is awesome that BMW offers both options.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Your selective definition of the word engaging does not encompass all meanings/uses of the word.

Could you please refer to a recognized source that has a different definition? I might have missed it.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engaging
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...glish/engaging
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...glish/engaging
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/...itish/engaging
http://www.yourdictionary.com/engaging
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/engaging

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Could you please refer to a recognized source that has a different definition? I might have missed it.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/engaging?s=t

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engage

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engage

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You never do WOT accelerations on the road?

But regardless, my chosing DCT is mainly for the performance advantage it provides on the track. My earlier points were about the definition of "engaging", which means attractive, appealing, pleasant, tending to draw favorable attention or interest . DCT is more appealing and attractive to me because of the performance advantage it offers. 6MT is more attractive, appealing to others because of the involvment it provides. Each chose whatever they prefer and it is great that BMW is still offering the choice with the F8X. But saying that a 6MT is de facto more engaging than a DCT is either having a very narrow minded view or not understanding what "engaging" means.

I guess I would respond "of course", but WOT is not pushing the limit of the car. I don't know if you track or not, but if you do, then you must know to what I'm referring. If you haven't tracked your car, you should. It's super fun and will surprise you how tame you've been in the road.

[Takumi587]

Lol I have a DCT but if this car was my weekend warrior definitely a 6-MT. DCT feels better suited for the car (for straight line and tech reasons) but I will agree having a manual transmission is more fun (in no traffic).

After driving the DCT for 2 months I definitely don’t like how late it goes into reverse, how hard it is to control the throttle when parking and the unnatural feeling of the shifts... However, auto mode is absolutely amazing in LA traffic and knowing I will never do a money shift. Haha

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

If I was buying an auto, believe me I woulda bout a different brand.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

I guess I would respond "of course", but WOT is not pushing the limit of the car.

WOT acceleration does push the "limit" of the car from an acceleration stand point. It is probably one of the car's "limit" the vast majority drivers are actually able to achieve on the street. And DCT does provide a significant advantage here.

Originally Posted by Nikolas

I don't know if you track or not, but if you do, then you must know to what I'm referring. If you haven't tracked your car, you should. It's super fun and will surprise you how tame you've been in the road.

I thought that was pretty obvious from my previous reply. Yes, I do track my M4, at the rate of 16 to 20 days per year. I've been tracking cars for 25 years. The whole point for me driving an ///M is to track it (I want a dual use car). I have argued the same as you many times before, it is just not possible to explore an M3/4's full performance envelope on the street. You need to go to the track for that

[f80er]

Originally Posted by 420Coupe

You're on an enthusiast forum; given i would think most enthusiast prefer the traditional three pedals.

Doesn't matter because my point still stands, even if the poll favors 6MT even this enthusiast forum DCT far outweighs 6MT.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/engaging?s=t

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engage

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engage

I don’t believe engaging has been used as a verb here, but rather as an adjective.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by f80er

Doesn't matter because my point still stands, even if the poll favors 6MT even this enthusiast forum DCT far outweighs 6MT.

Yep, by 150 to 180 lbs.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Yep, by 150 to 180 lbs.

...it's more like 55lbs though

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

...it's more like 55lbs though

Yep, exactly

- 3530 lbs (Manual) (US curb weight - including full fluids in the car, all standard equipment for US market and everything that is expected to be equipped on more than one-thirds of M4 sold (i.e. 19" wheels))
- 3585 lbs (DCT) (US curb weight - including full fluids in the car, all standard equipment for US market and everything that is expected to be equipped on more than one-thirds of M4 sold (i.e. 19" wheels and DCT are included))

I was just exaggerating a little for humor