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When you have around 10% of the traction a good winter tire will give you, skills tend to take a background position when the car starts moving in unpredictable directions and you're just along for the ride. With freezing temperatures, summer tires are a problem even on dead dry pavement. Way the heck back in the '80s in our first Audi, it took a couple of pucker-factor close calls before all this could penetrate my thick skull. |
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Flat parking lot gave him challenges. His ability to brake or turn was shot. He put his life (and others) in danger countless times. There's an argument for all-seasons where we live. There's no circumstance in which summer tires in wintry conditions make sense. It has little to do with skill, or at least skill is not the primary factor.
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My understanding from reading the euro delivery literature is that in winter months in Germany, if there's an accident and one of the drivers has summer tires, that driver is automatically at fault. I really dislike unnecessary gov regulation but that one actually seems close to "common sense" |
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But that's the point of the test he explains that in the videos, it's not pointless to test which car has the most responsive gearbox, as that's the test....
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The fact that he explains it does not make it less insignificant
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Really? Gearbox response is significant as far as I'm concerned.
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And for the majority that drive dual clutch cars most of the time in manual mode. The way they set the transmission to do roll tests it rather dumb. Anyone doing roll racing is not operating the gearbox like that in real life. They are going for the kill. Not in auto mode like how your wife drives the car if she is borrowing it for the day.
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Believe me I do 30k a year in my M3 I don't sit there in S3 at 70mph in 3rd at 5am in the morning waiting to go for the kill..... Going for the kill?!......
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I'll find out for myself pretty soon. Next week, I'll have both in my driveway (RS3 and M4CS)
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I'll try to make it clear for you.... It is a test of which gearbox in the standard mode is quickest to change down on the motorway/freeway when you put your foot down, that's it nothing more, nothing less...it cannot be that hard to understand. Forget about the other guy or beating him, lets say he doesn't exist (does that help?) You're rolling down the freeway and the traffic clears in front of you and you fancy a blast against no one, you get that bit right? No winning, no prizes, you just want to extend the legs of your car? Are you with me? No button pressing, no fannying about with settings you just want to go, do you want a gearbox that is slow to respond? Or one that reacts crisply to your command inputs on the throttle? Well this test shows you which car responds well in those circumstances, ones that I find myself in frequently, stop thinking about the "race" and "winning" and think about the test and the outcome.
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The video is titled..."BMW M3 CS vs Audi RS4 - review & DRAG RACE, ROLLING RACE & BRAKE TEST" Not titled..."BMW M3 CS vs Audi RS4 - review & DRAG RACE, GEARBOX TEST & BRAKE TEST" You are trying to create an imaginary scenario that they are supposed to be replicating. It is car vs car, on a closed track. The title of the video couldn't say it anymore clearly...it is a drag racing, roll racing, and brake test video. All your trying to do is make excuses for their flawed testing methods. |
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I got caught in a late April snow storm here with my 335 xDrive on PSS and it was the scariest drive I’ve ever done. You can’t stop or change directions without drama period. Cold dry/wet on PSS sure, but any kind of snow no way. |
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I don't know why you had such a different experience. Maybe your tires were older and more worn? Also, my tires were oem run flat summer tires. It could be that they were more forgiving than regular go flat summer tires. It might also have been colder where you were when you got caught with summer tires. Temperature has the greatest negative effect on summer tire performance. In other words, I'm thinking that lightly snow covered roads during frigid temps might be worse on the wrong tires than heavier snow on warmer roads. Anyway, I'm not saying that driving in winter weather with summer tires is advisable. Of course it's not. I'm just saying, in the event you get caught in bad conditions, awd still seems to offer a better chance of getting out ok - provided that one drives with extreme caution (like everyone should regardless of tires, awd, fwd, or rwd). |
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If all they are trying to prove is which gearbox reacts the quickest to driver input, then just jump on the throttle and see which car gets going first and end the race after that. If you wanna see which car is quicker once traction issues are removed out from the equation (which we all want to see), then they should have a proper race with both cars in the correct gear, rpm etc. |
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So yes, I've been caught off guard and I drove on snowy roads with an xdrive on summer tires. I got through it without ever losing control of the car. The tires were NOT all season radiaIs, or anything of the sort. They were summer tires. I realize this runs counter to everything ever posted on a car forum. It doesn't correlate with any of the results ever generated in published tire comparison tests either. Actually, this can't be explained by general relativity, quantum mechanics, or even string theory, but it happened. Perhaps it should be filed under paranormal.... Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for using summer tires in winter road conditions. I'm merely saying that, it happened to me, and this was my experience. |
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