S55 Engine - Modern Day 2JZ

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by ihc95

I don't see it being $100k. That's GTR money and the Supra is supposed to be a full notch below it performance wise. I'll say $70-80k, right in between the Vette and 911.

But I agree, if it looks close to the concept...well good lord

I doubt BMW would give the S55 to a car that is in the same price range as their bread and butter, M3/M4. The Supra might be branded under the Lexus to command a higher premium.

It would be $100k USD. The new NSX is at $150k. Both are plug-in hybrid drive-train.

If below is true, it will use BMW's I-4 Turbo engine.

http://toyotausanews.com/2016-toyota...se-date-price/

[The Flying Scotsman]

Originally Posted by ihc95

Whats funny is that the next Supra (based on FT-1 concept) will most likely have the S55 engine. Can't wait to see it take on the Vette and 911.

Interesting. Wonder if that will happen. I'll most definitely put my name down on one if it does.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by M3*GaryShrig*M3

Interesting. Wonder if that will happen. I'll most definitely put my name down on one if it does.

Nope. BMW I-4 turbo + plugin hybrid drivetrain. Combined 450HP and 480lb-ft.

[02black330ci]

Originally Posted by ihc95

Whats funny is that the next Supra (based on FT-1 concept) will most likely have the S55 engine. Can't wait to see it take on the Vette and 911.

Originally Posted by ihc95

I don't see it being $100k. That's GTR money and the Supra is supposed to be a full notch below it performance wise. I'll say $70-80k, right in between the Vette and 911.

But I agree, if it looks close to the concept...well good lord

You may be on to something here, not sure if you follow FastLaneDaily on youtube, but good source for daily car news. Apparently the Supra will have the option of only two engines, the inline 6 turbo engine and the variant hybrid engine. Whether its the S55 or the new B58, not sure, but I am hoping its the S55. You were pretty close on price from what FLD says. I also found an article from TechMalak, with the same data, info below with link and the good stuff quoted. Either way exciting times for both Toyota and BMW.

FF to 4:50 mark on the video info......

http://www.techmalak.com/new-473hp-2.../#.VbQk5rfD2sg

"Dubbed the “Silk Road Project”, this joint production will demand that in addition to chassis development, BMW focus on employing its acclaimed turbocharged 3.0-liter in-line 6-cylinder engine into the vehicle. The 2018 Toyota Supra will be offered with only two engine variants. The first is a hybrid combination of the BMW 3.0-liter turbocharged in-line 6-cylinder engine and Toyota’s lithium-ion battery pack powered plug-in electric propulsion system; this package is good for an impressive 473hp. The second choice is the BMW 3.0-liter twin-turbo. It is capable of producing 335hp on its own, making it much more capable than its Toyota predecessors."

[castilla]

Can we say that this stock motor useable 200.000km without no issues??

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Using simple powers of deductive reasoning, what in that article suggests anything close about the S55 being used, besides nothing?

+1, LOL. It says the I-6 Turbo makes 335HP on its own = B58 engine. Not S55 by a near shot.

If I heard correctly, both BMW and Toyota will have the same chassis to play with? Similar the BRZ and FRS? The mistake Subaru made in that deal is not releasing the STi motor version of the BRZ to outsell the FRS. Hopefully BMW will put the S55 (optional) for their version of the Supra chassis.

This might be the BMW Z8 replacement.

[02black330ci]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Using simple powers of deductive reasoning, what in that article suggests anything close about the S55 being used, besides nothing?

Based on your "deductive reasoning" you should DEF have your answer by 2018

But all jokes aside, its the turbo inline 6 that has me excited. Just glad they aren't going with the 4 cylinder.

Originally Posted by JNoSol

+1, LOL. It says the I-6 Turbo makes 335HP on its own = B58 engine. Not S55 by a near shot.

If I heard correctly, both BMW and Toyota will have the same chassis to play with? Similar the BRZ and FRS? The mistake Subaru made in that deal is not releasing the STi motor version of the BRZ to outsell the FRS. Hopefully BMW will put the S55 (optional) for their version of the Supra chassis.

This might be the BMW Z8 replacement.

Definitely HOPING it gets the S55, main point of the response was that it will include an inline 6 turbo from BMW, which as you stated. Whether B58 or S55, both are closed deck designs, which is what makes things interesting. We shall see, its going to be interesting what the tuners do once the Supra comes out. It will make the aftermarket support for the engine insane and BMW enthusiasts will easily benefit from it.

[flightz71]

Originally Posted by MineralWhiteF80

I wish my S55 sounded like a 2JZ.... I really do like the sound of my M3 with the M performance exhaust, but I like the 2J sound wayyy more.

The 2J engine sound is intoxicating, especially with a larger turbo and a wastegate vented to atmosphere.

+1 sound is such an important factor to me for a car.

All these journalists bag on how crappy a modern turbo motor sounds, but it has nothing to do with the turbos. Japanese manufacturers in the 90s made incredible sounding engines. 2JZ, RB26 are still some of the best sounding motors of all time. Different from a Ferrari 5V whine, American V8, or Subaru Boxer... just had it's own unique class of sound.

ie: @ 50 seconds... ppl always love to say how great a C63 sounds. I really don't get it... just a lot of raspy noise. The 2JZ turbo in the Lexus right after completely stomps it imo.

Even BMW NA straight 6 (M54) had such a aggressive deep and smooth tone to it.

Not sure if these new engines is due to all the new fuel, ignition and head technologies but they sound don't sound nearly as good.

[BMW M4 PWR]

These new S55 I-6's are a FAR superior product of modern engineering than the old venerable 2JZ's of 20+years ago... these have better heads, dual vanos, superior oiling system, more compression reliably due to direct injection, FAR more volumetric efficiency from the motor all the way around, also closed deck with higher capacity forged internals, etc, etc..

However, keep in mind as mentioned, the Supras and 2J's were already out a full 10YEARS before the aftermarket offerings for them took the 2J's to extreme 1000+HP levels and beyond... in fact, they ended north American production of the supra long before the fastest mkiv started even being built.

These S55 M cars are already at 700+rwhp less than a year out of aftermarket development, way faster then it took for both N54's OR 2JZ's to receive these marks. (A byproduct of this motor and platforms unlocked potential) within the next year I garauntee we'll see a 1000HP (stock motor'ed!) S55... and three years+ on you'll see the well over 1K whp fully built monster roll-on and full mile cars... the S55 is the current BEST of a breed and a jewel of an engine. It's 60% the reason I even bought my M4* After seeing how quickly these cars are already breaking records I'm glad our gamble (not really with "M" cars anyway) paid off...

[sly1types]

Originally Posted by Woodengun

Any idea on how much the driveshaft, differential and axles can handle?

I'm also assuming these cars are all tuned for drag racing? Hard to control that much power in a F1 car that has 3 times as much grip as a street car on a track. I'd think power like that is useless for tracking an F8x.

That is what I'm thinking. One of my good friends has had 1200 rwhp+ for 15 years and he has broke everything! Even now everything has been upgraded and he still breaks stuff. Not to mention that motor has been out at least 3 times, but never for block issues...

Once you get past 700 at the tire you open up a new can of worms. Btw his car runs lower 8s. Also then you have to go to a real drag tire that is loose and wobbly. Even on 315 street tires it wont hook at 100+

My point is something in the high 500s with some Nitto 555R would be perfect

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by sly1types

That is what I'm thinking. One of my good friends has had 1200 rwhp+ for 15 years and he has broke everything! Even now everything has been upgraded and he still breaks stuff. Not to mention that motor has been out at least 3 times, but never for block issues...

Once you get past 700 at the tire you open up a new can of worms. Btw his car runs lower 8s. Also then you have to go to a real drag tire that is loose and wobbly. Even on 315 street tires it wont hook at 100+

My point is something in the high 500s with some Nitto 555R would be perfect

Meanwhile I'm just sitting here with an 1190whp ETS GTR build that just got finished and just put 2k miles worth of daily driving on it and doing more launches than I can think of

I ran my HKS GT800 kit at 695whp and 650wtrq on a LOW reading mustang dyno for 15k miles with zero problems. Winter driving, racing in 7 degree weather lol

I picked up an 02 is300 to winter drive and its 2jz-GE with 229k miles and its got 238200 on it now and I'm amazed at the engine like literally floored with how reliable it is

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

However, keep in mind as mentioned, the Supras and 2J's were already out a full 10YEARS before the aftermarket offerings for them took the 2J's to extreme 1000+HP levels and beyond... in fact, they ended north American production of the supra long before the fastest mkiv started even being built.

And we're what? 1.5 years or less away from the N54 being 10 years old and people are only now starting to do it right with DSS axles and building trans for just 700-800whp...

The real problem is the BMW community doesn't wanna pay 1.) for the car and repairs, and 2.) the upgrades themselves to make the R&D worth it for aftermarket and I'd expect that to continue regardless of how capable the DCT/ Engines are.

Shep does a DCT build now which I'm shocked how few people contact him... Thats what my GTR is a stage 4 trans... But how many people are gonna build their M's correctly to push the companies to invest in the platform to get it to some kind of level to see the breaking point.

We aren't even really seeing that people willing to push the parts to the extreme to see the weaknesses so until that starts happening n'mass it really won't matter.

[shu5892001]

The motor from ATS-V looks more like a modern day 2jz.. massive gains with just dp and tune

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Bluesummer

Please don't over glorify the F8x.

Nobody was talking about the F8X. They were talking about the S55

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by shu5892001

The motor from ATS-V looks more like a modern day 2jz.. massive gains with just dp and tune

I mean its not really doing anything that the M4 can't do with tune and DP... Remember the M4 isn't a wide open platform the way most of the American cars are... So I don't think its anything to be wowed by.

[meez]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Using simple powers of deductive reasoning, what in that article suggests anything close about the S55 being used, besides nothing?

Welcome to an 'enthusiast' car forum. Where shit is spewed left and right and 'rumors' aren't even rumors as much as they are something someone made up in their head.

Also see 'internet.' A tool many use to type something no one needs to read from their shitty fingers. The internet has given a voice to people who definitely should not have one.

I saw this thread title and thought, "hey, I got 5 minutes to kill, I wonder what kind of shitty posts are in here." Low and behold, a plethora of shit. Including this very post you just finished reading. GOT EM.

[Narcosis]

I broke a 2JZ block, put a rod through it when a piston fractured. Really stout blocks, I just did something stupid.

I'm anticipating selling my current N54 and moving on to an S55 M4. If the stars align / the market doesn't crash / etc. As the pics below testify to, the 2JZ block got nicely ventilated...

Originally Posted by JNoSol

The S55 engine is an engineering marvel. What some of you guys may not realized, the S55 block is closed deck (cylinder walls are integrated with the block). This means it can take a lot more beating compared to the N54 open deck design. One of the favorite tuner engines of all time would be Toyota's 2JZ. It also has a closed deck design, making it indestructible. People have put 2JZ in everything from E36/E46 M3s to Honda S2000. With the closed deck design, the S55 has a bright future and many records to break to surpassed the 2JZ.