01-21-2021, 04:50 PM | #2223 |
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Looking at these images, I can see where the Hoffmeister kink went. It's now on the inboard edge of the headlights. Whereas the F8X headlights met the kidney to form a cohesive unit across the front, the G8X has a painted area between the headlight and stupid grille. It gives me the impression that the headlights are too small.
The first image, besides being a complete dumpster fire, is a great example of how well a flat black color helps hide the chaotic lines. Anything else is just drawing attention to the mess. The lines are just going in too many directions. |
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I do agree. Never liked the regular colors on the F8x (I mean seriously no red or real blue?). The addition of the individual colors at $1,900 (or was it $1,800?) were a start but seriously the G8x has a much better color palette (to me).
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* Volume sellers need packages because the buyers aren't interested enough in the cars - they just want the car with the stuff. Since profits depend on volumes which depend on throughput, all friction needs to be eliminated. * Quality / Brand Strength sellers need choices because they get relatively larger margins off of each highly engaged customer. Customers not only WANT to pick options, but somewhat demand to. If the seller doesn't offer it, they'll immediately go aftermarket. So if you're a manufacturer who sells a high-margin product AND can figure out how configure each core unit to a customer's preferences, then you can get ever escalating margins. |
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Yes, mid mass market subies should have these standard features because, as in my other post, volume sales. Everything is mediocre and you know it so who cares? Premium mass market should make these bing-bongs optional both for choice and also to get a higher quality chassis: options increase margins which hopefully increases quality (customers walk otherwise). Configuration becomes how many creature-comforts the customer wants to pay to get back into a premium chassis. i.e., "you can drive your subie with cruise or your macan and move your foot". I'm all for putting the margin into the options. Up in the ultra market (which isn't mass market of course) like Bentley, Aston, Rolls, etc then all bing-bongs should be standard again and configuration becomes mostly about the interior. |
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I love the fact that I can have the car exactly the way I want it. However, I despise the fact that Porsche charges you hardcore for it. A lot of stuff that should be options but not really, are at times, thing you don't really end up needing. It sounds odd but trust me, when you get into a car, half of the time unless you are using it all the time, you would forget about it. Not to mention, I believe Porsche has once again up the price on PTS cars. Those of you who don't know that lingo, it means paint to sample, Porsche's version of BMW Individual Program. Although, for whatever reason, unlike BMW, Porsche requires an actual allocation for it. Meaning, unlike BMW (which you can turn most open allocation orders into an individual order if accepted), Porsche requires an actual PTS allocation for it, then they have to accept it. Much more of a headache. Porsche also does offer packages just not on certain cars. Most of the time, the packages can be are rather outrageous in price as well. For example, some packages that are offered on the Cayenne GTS/Turbo can cost you north of 30k in North America. So, in conclusion, I do kind of agree with the selectness of Porsche and the way you can have the car built. It's just the fact that everyone knows they charge you up the wazoo for it, is a bit of a problem for some. If I remember correctly, someone did post that Porsche's profit margin is one of the higher ones due to... well the options Though Andreas Preuninger mentioned some of their GT cars have the lowest profit margins but they don't seem to mind.
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Perhaps the problem simply lies with the distribution and sales models we live with. Custom spec'ed cars tend to not be discounted as much or take time to build per order and dealers have inventory to move in the meantime, competing for space in the market. The only way it will be standard is if more people demand it. In the case of Subaru, I think they are doing it right by having it standard in their vehicles, although I don't know if the WRX or BRZ come standard honestly. If not, then that lines up with your points.
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Another fail for the 4-series... not surprised at all.
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Seems silly to suggest that the 4-series was a compact sports coupe. There's nothing compact about it.
I really wish they had went with a grill which was narrower and more rounded but even that may have looked silly because of the required center placement of the front plates.
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What sucks is being forced into a package to order ACC, where you are stuck ordering other items you don't necessarily want.
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Indeed, the 4-series now has longer wheelbase than the 8-series
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I was just thinking about this on the way to work, could I list 5 positives for this car?
-6MT/RWD still available -Ventilated seats and other niceties are available as options -Interior has been refined -Exhaust sounds better? (can't tell through YouTube videos) Can't think of much else... |
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Episode five of this dumpster fire of a marketing campaign is up. It’s 3:14 of talk about wheels - in the dark! BMW’s marketing team chose the darkest spot in the studio to shoot this part, so the wheels can barely be seen. The good news is that all of the designs are forged again. For the lightest wheel that has been ruined with yellow paint inside the spokes, they don’t even talk about how much weight was saved. |
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The visual differences from each wheel is very subtle, especially between the standard to comp. They should have made a 5 spoke option as it's been customary with bmw to have a decent 5 spoke option. |
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Personally, I cannot stand the staggered wheel sizes F/R on the car. Simply can't unsee and it just looks goofy on an already goofy looking vehicle.
Also while interior is nice... the whole screens for everything trend is no bueno. F8x had it right with a nice combo of digital and analog. |
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