KW HAS sitting to high, different springs?

[Couna777]

has anyone tried to swap springs on KW HAS?
do KW offer different height of springs?
i like where my front sits currently, but rear seems to high at lowest setting.
i would like to keep the springrate as it is but get little shorter spring.
has anyone done that ? or does KW even offer springs separately?

thanks,

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by Couna777

has anyone tried to swap springs on KW HAS?
do KW offer different height of springs?
i like where my front sits currently, but rear seems to high at lowest setting.
i would like to keep the springrate as it is but get little shorter spring.
has anyone done that ? or does KW even offer springs separately?

thanks,

I'm currently in contact with KW Germany to confirm but I'm surprised because usually the rear can go lower than the front. I want my front just lower...lol

[mtr3s]

I had to do this with both KW V3 and HAS. For V3 I had to get longer springs in the rear. For HAS I had to get shorter springs in the front. This was on my old F80.

KW is not good for stance at all. KW will also not recommend what I did.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by mtr3s

I had to do this with both KW V3 and HAS. For V3 I had to get longer springs in the rear. For HAS I had to get shorter springs in the front. This was on my old F80.

KW is not good for stance at all. KW will also not recommend what I did.

Do you have more information on the shorter springs in the front?

PM'd you...

[LOW4LYF]

Alright, got the part# for the front.

Any vendor on the forums which can help me with the order?


Thanks

[Couna777]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Alright, got the part# for the front.

Any vendor on the forums which can help me with the oder?


Thanks

Also want to know as well..

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by Couna777

Also want to know as well..

I got a spring for the front which is 15mm shorter than stock which will be hopefully perfect for my needs.

[Couna777]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

I got a spring for the front which is 15mm shorter than stock which will be hopefully perfect for my needs.

Which vendor did you get it from??
Can you pm me ??

[tomlong]

Originally Posted by mtr3s

I had to do this with both KW V3 and HAS. For V3 I had to get longer springs in the rear. For HAS I had to get shorter springs in the front. This was on my old F80.

KW is not good for stance at all. KW will also not recommend what I did.

How is KW not good for stance? I get asked all the time if I'm on bags.

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[mtr3s]

Not low enough. When I had my F80, I disliked the reverse rake it gave. That is entirely subjective.

[tomlong]

Originally Posted by mtr3s

Not low enough. When I had my F80, I disliked the reverse rake it gave. That is entirely subjective.

Any lower you can't drive the car as it is meant to be?!?!?!?!

You want it sitting on the ground? Get air bags and compromise on performance.

[LOW4LYF]

Figured out! Spring are on the way.

I will have it installed with some camber plates.

Talked to KW US they wanted $150 each spring, only one was available.

Have contacted some KW dealer in Germany, got both springs with shipping to the states for $250.

Springs should be 15mm shorter than the standard springs.

Will follow up once installed.

[Idfkman]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Figured out! Spring are on the way.

I will have it installed with some camber plates.

Talked to KW US they wanted $150 each spring, only one was available.

Have contacted some KW dealer in Germany, got both springs with shipping to the states for $250.

Springs should be 15mm shorter than the standard springs.

Will follow up once installed.

Did you ever get the shorter springs installed? Any pics?

[N44RP]

Can we revive this? I want lower on KW HAS

[Couna777]

Originally Posted by N44RP

Can we revive this? I want lower on KW HAS

Just save your money and get kw v3.
90% people who gets HAS go coilovers later.
Which I did too and I currently have v3 on my g80. HAS also will blow your shocks eventually.

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by Couna777

Just save your money and get kw v3.
90% people who gets HAS go coilovers later.
Which I did too and I currently have v3 on my g80. HAS also will blow your shocks eventually.

I don’t understand people. They want to take a kit that was designed for minimal lowering due to the available stock suspension travel which is already limited by the stock bump stops and lower the car to the point the bump stops are compressed under static load. Next, they’ll complain the ride quality is terrible, the ride is very bouncy and harsh, and the front struts failed in no time at all. Just get a cheap set of BC Racing suspension which will allow you to lower the car 4” and have the jack pads drag along the ground

HAS is designed to lower the car 10-15 mm max with slightly stiffer springs to stay within stock strut travel limits. It is not designed, or intended, to be used with the ride height slammed to the ground, the stock struts with their limited travel absolutely weren’t designed and intended for this use. BMW MP HAS system shows you the correct amount of allowable drop without affecting stock strut design requirements. Any thing lower, a HAS kit is not for you.

[Couna777]

Originally Posted by M3SQRD

I don’t understand people. They want to take a kit that was designed for minimal lowering due to the available stock suspension travel which is already limited by the stock bump stops and lower the car to the point the bump stops are compressed under static load. Next, they’ll complain the ride quality is terrible, the ride is very bouncy and harsh, and the front struts failed in no time at all. Just get a cheap set of BC Racing suspension which will allow you to lower the car 4” and have the jack pads drag along the ground

HAS is designed to lower the car 10-15 mm max with slightly stiffer springs to stay within stock strut travel limits. It is not designed, or intended, to be used with the ride height slammed to the ground, the stock struts with their limited travel absolutely weren’t designed and intended for this use. BMW MP HAS system shows you the correct amount of allowable drop without affecting stock strut design requirements. Any thing lower, a HAS kit is not for you.

THIS 1000%
I learned this hard way and I am trying to tell people ..

[Couna777]

Btw it’s pretty funny looking at my own post 4 years ago and how I changed my mind on things

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by Couna777

THIS 1000%
I learned this hard way and I am trying to tell people ..

Don’t feel bad. I’ve been trying to educate people since HAS kits were first released on the e9x M3 and even before that when Ground Control started selling them before being called HAS kits (I think it was called sleeve overs). Unfortunately, people see the ~$1k-ish price tag + maintain EDC and they are sold…until they install it and it falls far short of the stance they’re going for. They then go for the one-finger tire-fender gap at the F and R which results in a horribly looking severely forward rake setup that also completely screws up the balance of the car (lowering the front more than the rear shifts the balance towards oversteer). Now you have an ill-handling-constantly-running-on-the-bump-stops setup that destroys your stock struts as well as the shortened bump stops (need to find that extra 1/4” of supposed free travel). This is about the time they realize, “I should’ve gone with the [insert coilover brand here] instead of a HAS kit.”

Here’s a perfect example of a form over function, worse than a 1-finger F & R fender-tire gaps with absurd forward rake taken from tomlong above. I can’t imagine how poor the ride quality and handling of this car are:

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by Couna777

Btw it’s pretty funny looking at my own post 4 years ago and how I changed my mind on things

At least you’ve learned from your mistake. Those are the best types of learning experiences because you learned it first hand and you’ll never forget it. I work with a bunch of mechanical and aerospace engineers and there are quite a few that need information/knowledge spoon fed to them and, consequently, on paper they have 30 years of experience yet in reality they’ve repeated their first year over again 30 times - no retained new knowledge because they did not learn it the first time on their own. Then they try to put the blame on you for not “teaching them”. It’s not my problem you’re an idiot! Pathetic.

[N44RP]

Alright fellas, different strokes for different folks.
There’s a fitment I’m chasing and given this is my second F8x I figured I would give HAS a try this time around over the lowering springs I had.

I didn’t want to spend four thousand dollars on V3s. And this thread was about making something work that was already installed
No one’s doubting the almighty V3s