Official: Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe Revealed

[r3dbimmer89]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

Well it's good have an opinion, but you're statement isn't fact because I'm here to in fact deny that the C Class interior is "miles" ahead of the F8x.
I agree with dmk08 regarding the interior.
There are aspects that are nicer in the C63 but it's not a one sided 100% better interior.

An automobile's interior layout and design is indeed subjective but let me back track my previous statement with the fact that Mercedes does use materials that are "perceived" as higher quality than what BMW uses in the F8X. Now that is a fact and not a subjective opinion

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by r3dbimmer89

An automobile's interior layout and design is indeed subjective but let me back track my previous statement with the fact that Mercedes does use materials that are "perceived" as higher quality than what BMW uses in the F8X. Now that is a fact and not a subjective opinion

Can't argue with that. The Burmester stereo is a pretty nice piece of kit and the built in airfreshener thingy is a damn cool as hell feature.

[S65V8]

exterior - not bad looking, but isn't aggressive looking enough, sort of more luxury than sport. The black series version will likely solve this issue.

interior - beautiful, benz does a good job here. It's their own style, I wouldn't say it's better, just different, I'd rather have less luxury and do-dads for weight savings.

the bad - guys, the weight, wtf 3900+ lbs! AMG does it again. hopefully the black series will lighten the car up. this just disgusts me about these cars. agree, a lot of ppl don't track their cars to feel this weight regularly, but you'll feel this weight taking the car out on a spirited twisty road adventure, even taking the occasional fast turn off a highway ramp, it doesn't feel good.

Also, it's sort of bs they haven't put a dual clutch trans in here yet, wth, get with it. Regardless, this car could never interest me bc it doesn't have a 6MT option, lol. yup, I'm "that guy".

this car though is certainly a competitor for those who want a sporty and fast GT luxo cruiser, it definitely fits the bill. The F8x is also a sporty GT, but weighted more on "sport", while the AMG is weighted on "luxury", nothing wrong with either, a matter of personal preference ultimately.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

That must be depressing lol

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120495

lol, but our cars on the road actual don't even use the same engines (not until maybe 2017 or 19). All these cats are using NA V8 engines, no FI, I wish BMW will release a car with the engine they use in their DTM car - oh wait, they did! S65, and stopped producing it, hahahaha.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...r-is-unveiled/

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2015/...ew-dtm-engine/

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SROC5

lol, but our cars on the road actual don't even use the same engines (not until maybe 2017 or 19). All these cats are using NA V8 engines, no FI, I wish BMW will release a car with the engine they use in their DTM car - oh wait, they did! S65, and stopped producing it, hahahaha.

BMW's DTM car did not use the S65 and the powerplant has zero to do with the S65. It is just a coincidence DTM maximum displacement rules matched the 4.0 liters of the S65. Starting from a different engine block, nothing is the same.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

BMW's DTM car did not use the S65 and the powerplant has zero to do with the S65. It is just a coincidence DTM maximum displacement rules matched the 4.0 liters of the S65. Starting from a different engine block, nothing is the same.

youre absolutely wrong about zero relationship to s65. point being, the s65 is based on real life v8 blocks that were part of m motorsport heritage, and deravatives continue to be. s55 is based on a standard 3 series block. woohoo!

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SROC5

the s65 is based on a real racing block thats my point you putz. lol. s55 isnt based on anything. oh wait, yes it is, standard 3 series block. woohoo!

Claiming the S65 is based off the DTM 4.0L is incorrect and actually impossible as the S65 was out before they re-entered DTM.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SROC5

youre absolutely wrong about zero relationship to s65. point being, the s65 is based on real life v8 blocks that were part of m motorsport heritage, and deravatives continue to be. s55 is based on a standard 3 series block. woohoo!

No I am not. The DTM 4.0L is a one-off engine for that series, they don't even share a block.

Now if you were talking about the engine in the Z4 GTLM or GT3, then yes they share a block. Same bore and stroke.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

No I am not. The DTM 4.0L is a one-off engine for that series, they don't even share a block.

Now if you were talking about the engine in the Z4 GTLM or GT3, then yes they share a block. Same bore and stroke.

yes you are, as relationship doesnt mean same, it just means the dtm engine is a derivative, like the other m motorsport engines after it.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SROC5

yes you are, as relationship doesnt mean same, it just means the dtm engine is a derivative, like the other m motorsport engines after it.

You don't know what you are talking about. The DTM engine is not a derivative of the S65, period. Derivative means something based on another source. It is completely one-off engine program built to DTM regulations. What don't you get about it not even being the same block. If the regulations called for 5 liters they would be running 5 liters. If they called for 3 liter V6, they would be running 3 liter V6's. The P65 in their GT racing programs, now that is a different story. Sames goes for 2017 when regulations switch to 2.0L 4-cylinders. BMW's powerplant with not be considered a derivative of the N20.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

You don't know what you are talking about. The DTM engine is not a derivative of the S65, period. Derivative means something based on another source. It is completely one-off engine program built to DTM regulations. What don't you get about it not even being the same block. If the regulations called for 5 liters they would be running 5 liters. If they called for 3 liter V6, they would be running 3 liter V6's. The P65 in their GT racing programs, now that is a different story. Sames goes for 2017 when regulations switch to 2.0L 4-cylinders. BMW's powerplant with not be considered a derivative of the N20.

no you dont know what youre talking about. lol.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SROC5

no you dont know what youre talking about. lol.

Go ahead and keep telling yourself the S65 is based off a DTM engine.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Go ahead and keep telling yourself the S65 is based off a DTM engine.

ditto

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SROC5

ditto

If you ever want to look educated when you end talking to someone in the future about racing and BMW race engine variants. The DTM motor is the P66, completely unrelated to any production engine. The P65B44 in the Z4 GT3/GTE is derived from the S65B44. Feel free to look up the difference or in your case maybe start with looking up the definition of derivative.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

If you ever want to look educated when you end talking to someone in the future about racing and BMW race engine variants. The DTM motor is the P66, completely unrelated to any production engine. The P65B44 in the Z4 GT3/GTE is derived from the S65B44. Feel free to look up the difference or in your case maybe start with looking up the definition of derivative.

ditto