F80 M3 vs W205 C63s Edition1

[Warranty P]

Originally Posted by azzurro

Yes, the C63 is heavier but it also has more horsepower. It's rated faster 0-60 than the M3/M4 so weight is irrelevant unless you drive the grossglockner strada in Germany/Austria everyday. lol.

Weight is always relevant, more weight means more fuel used, more tire wear, more brake pad wear...etc. All of those get magnified at the track.

[48Laws]

In those pics, the Benz looks way better

[chris s]

that merc interior is pretty sick!

[Andy348]

Saw the new C63 at a local car show not too long ago... looks good IMO, not as good as the new E63, but still good. As previously stated, much more understated than an M, but that's what they're going for. I think it shares the same engine with the AMG GT Coupe, but I could be wrong there. If so, quite impressive.

As for the E63S AMG, those things are complete beasts. Around here I see tons of them as they appear to be winter beaters for the 1%. There's even an 80+ year old woman that DDs one. They sound mean. BMW really needs to step up the game in the wagon segment IMO

That said, looking forward to these new C63s hitting the streets. As a side note, those previously bitched about red lines around the grille and rims are (I believe) specific for the Edition-1 versions, and won't be present on the normal C63.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

In those pics, the Benz looks way better

said no one, ever

Joking aside, I think the front is well done and overall the car looks better than other pictures. I personally still do not like the rear and the bug eyed tails but, overall, an attractive car!

[F450]

Originally Posted by Mario_Kart

So is that CCB at the front and iron rotors in the rear?

This decision is so odd.

[JL M3]

Just noticed the steering wheel. Wish bmw didnt make us pay to have a steering wheel like that.

Looking at the pics more, I actually like the c63 more from the rear and rear 3/4 angle. Not a fan of the front and red accents.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by F450

This decision is so odd.

Agreed and now we know why the option is much cheaper than BMW's CCB.

[minn19]

These side by side comparison pics help solidify my decision in the looks department. I think the M3 is a much more completely thought out design in the aesthetics department. The C63 just doesn't look like it knows what it wants to be. A car for older more understated types in the rear and then juvenile racer in the front. IMO BMW pulled of the understated, but yet aggressive look much better than MB.

I really don't like the rear end of the C63 and the red accent stripes on the wheels and front air intake. Not with dark grey anyway. It would look much better on black, dark blue or white.

I think the interior is the same as the exterior, which in my opinion is confusing. It is nicer in ways over the F8X, but also think it is overdone here as well. A lot going on in there with a bunch of shiny stuff. As somebody else mentioned, I am also not a fan of the diamond stitched seats.

It is good to have choices as obviously everybody has different tastes. Overall I'm sure it is an excellent car.

[Jockey]

I like the seats and steering wheel of the Benz. The exterior, not so much. I much prefer the W204 exterior over the new one.

[AlterZgo]

I think the C63 looks very good. Problem is so does the regular C class... Especially the ones w/ the AMG appearance packages. They both look way too similar. M3 OTOH looks very different than a 335i. Much more differentiation from the base non-M model. Non-enthusiasts who see my car can't believe it's even related to a regular 3 series.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by minn19

These side by side comparison pics help solidify my decision in the looks department. I think the M3 is a much more completely thought out design in the aesthetics department. The C63 just doesn't look like it knows what it wants to be. A car for older more understated types in the rear and then juvenile racer in the front. IMO BMW pulled of the understated, but yet aggressive look much better than MB.

I really don't like the rear end of the C63 and the red accent stripes on the wheels and front air intake. Not with dark grey anyway. It would look much better on black, dark blue or white.

I think the interior is the same as the exterior, which in my opinion is confusing. It is nicer in ways over the F8X, but also think it is overdone here as well. A lot going on in there with a bunch of shiny stuff. As somebody else mentioned, I am also not a fan of the diamond stitched seats.

It is good to have choices as obviously everybody has different tastes. Overall I'm sure it is an excellent car.

Thats an excellent way to put it, the inside is amazingly confusing... there is so many colors and different things going on its as if it was made for flavor flav.

The exterior is just simply put bland and there are really random things going on like the red accents, weird flares, weird brake choices and no aggressiveness.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by coolmody

A friend just picked up his new C63s Edition1. Wanted to share some pics of the two cars together.

I didn't see who posted and started to look at pictures thinking 'hmmm, that scene looks like it could be here....'

and then I saw was you.

Thanks for posting.

That SS-like C63S (is that 'Iridium Silver'?) looks nice and shows the lines on the sides of the car well.

.....thing still lacks hips (ie: fender flares) though.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

I'm sure the Merc will corner well. At 4,000lbs (500lb heavier), it will not drive or handle like an M3/M4. Power doesn't make up for the 500lbs difference when it comes to vehicle dynamic. This is the same reason why a GT3 is untouchable on the track. It weighs 3,152lb. Even with 100ft lb less tq than an M3/M4, it will slaughter the Ms on the track. (even with the incorrectly placed rear engine)

With that, I can never claim an M3/M4 will drive or handle as nice as a GT3.

If you're hung on a car because it's .0001 sec faster going to 0-60 or how the engine sounds, it's the wrong reason to ever choose a car. You have to like how it drives overall. The new M3/M4 can run low 11s with less than $2k of mod. As for sound, a dozen exhausts out there that makes the M3/M4 roar. You can fix speed and sound, but you can't fix the 500lb weight delta.

Get an M. Join the BMW CCA, Hit the track. You'll figure out why 80% of the people at a BMW track meet drives an M. It took me 6yrs and 8 BMWs to figure this out (Go M or None as those who don't have a BMW M at a BMW meet feels disconnected).

+1

I definitely made my fair share of mistakes on buying a car based on stats or ratings.

see S4 and somewhat the W204 C63.

Do test drive and do think about the things you like about a car, not just based on a chart.

[azzurro]

Originally Posted by OneRib

azzurro it's nice to get opinions, but for these two cars you have to drive them yourself. They are both extremely capable and excellent cars for what you want them to do.

It is purely personal preference. This gen of ATS-V, C63/63s, and M3/4 are so good that there is no wrong choice. So far only the RC-F has fallen on its face and even that car has some redeeming qualities.

Trust me one test drive in each and you should know which one is for you.

My only question is why do you keep saying the M3/4 is more expensive than a basic C63? The MSRP is lower on the M3/4. Is it more when you configure each the way you want it?

When I price out the two cars the M's always tend to be a little higher. I think for the options I want it's just more with BMW. I need to spend some more time with the build function.

I can build a nice C63 for sub $70M and the M's I build always seem to be in the $72-73 range. It's not a lot nor will it decide my decision for a couple of grand.

[azzurro]

Originally Posted by Warranty Pussy

Weight is always relevant, more weight means more fuel used, more tire wear, more brake pad wear...etc. All of those get magnified at the track.

Good point. I;m not going to track it so in my world it won't matter to me as much as to you. These two cars bottom line are really close. Maybe I can talk my wife into both of them??

[Fahrvergnügen]

This will tip the scales at ~4,000lbs!

Even with the added horsepower/torque, this thing will be a hoot to maneuver. It's easy to "compensate" for added weight with more power, but more power only goes so far. I like BMW's decision to not play horsepower wars but focus on weight reduction, seemingly the only manufacturer in this segment to do so.

[Bourne10]

I come from a very one eyed BMW family but have just placed an order for a C63s with the Edition 1 pack. At the end of the day, you would be crazy if you didn't say both cars have differences but are equally amazing. In Australia, you could argue that the C63s is better value (more equipment as standard for the same price) although BMW dealers are more eager to offer deals. Subjectively, I especially love the shape of the M4 but need 4 doors as I will use it as a daily drive with 2 young kids. The M3 silhouette is not as aggressive as the M4 but this was not a deciding factor for me over the C63s. IMO, the interior of the C63s is a bit more "special". I have gone for the quilted seats, black wheels and red inserts to ensure the car stands out from normal C classes (something the BM does better) but I understand that some may think it is "over the top". I am also interested to understand why the C63s in the pictures did not have the black gloss rear spoiler or graphite side decal stickers that come with the edition 1 package. Lastly, what also swayed me towards the C63s was the sound of the exhaust and the luxury, muscle car feel for the road given it will never see a track.
Hopefully, this gives an insight into the thinking of someone who was genuinely considering both cars.
ps - don't excommunicate me from the BMW world for moving to the dark side as I still absolutely love the complete BMW offering.

[OneRib]

Originally Posted by azzurro

When I price out the two cars the M's always tend to be a little higher. I think for the options I want it's just more with BMW. I need to spend some more time with the build function.

I can build a nice C63 for sub $70M and the M's I build always seem to be in the $72-73 range. It's not a lot nor will it decide my decision for a couple of grand.

That's what I thought and that makes sense.
I wouldn't worry too much. You're in a win/win situation.

[azzurro]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

I think the C63 looks very good. Problem is so does the regular C class... Especially the ones w/ the AMG appearance packages. They both look way too similar. M3 OTOH looks very different than a 335i. Much more differentiation from the base non-M model. Non-enthusiasts who see my car can't believe it's even related to a regular 3 series.

Interesting point. That guy in the C300 I just blew by in my C63 AMG will know my car is different..lol. He'll also see the AMG plaquard as I pass him along with that loud V8 roar.

People who don't know anything about cars don't know the difference between an M3 and a 335i sedan. I don't kknow that this would make a big difference to me but I get what you're saying.

[azzurro]

Originally Posted by Bourne10

I come from a very one eyed BMW family but have just placed an order for a C63s with the Edition 1 pack. At the end of the day, you would be crazy if you didn't say both cars have differences but are equally amazing. In Australia, you could argue that the C63s is better value (more equipment as standard for the same price) although BMW dealers are more eager to offer deals. Subjectively, I especially love the shape of the M4 but need 4 doors as I will use it as a daily drive with 2 young kids. The M3 silhouette is not as aggressive as the M4 but this was not a deciding factor for me over the C63s. IMO, the interior of the C63s is a bit more "special". I have gone for the quilted seats, black wheels and red inserts to ensure the car stands out from normal C classes (something the BM does better) but I understand that some may think it is "over the top". I am also interested to understand why the C63s in the pictures did not have the black gloss rear spoiler or graphite side decal stickers that come with the edition 1 package. Lastly, what also swayed me towards the C63s was the sound of the exhaust and the luxury, muscle car feel for the road given it will never see a track.
Hopefully, this gives an insight into the thinking of someone who was genuinely considering both cars.
ps - don't excommunicate me from the BMW world for moving to the dark side as I still absolutely love the complete BMW offering.

You shouldn't feel sorry for buying something that makes you happy. It is so great that as consumers we have so many choices now. I see that you put down the sound of the exhaust. This is EXACTLY what I've been thinking. I just want a kick butt V8 engine sound that when you start it up or blow by somebody they go WTF? was THAT?? Lol.

Like people have said here...you can't go wrong with either one. I have no idea what my final choice will be or what will make the difference between the two cars. Enjoy your new car.

[HuskyBMW]

I'm sure it is a fabulous car in all ways but it just doesn't do anything for me visually. Maybe in a different color? Obviously I am biased but I really like the looks of the M3 way more than the C63.