2020 M4CS Vs 2022 M4 Comp

[TonyDC]

Hi All,

First time posting as I am in the market for either a 2020 M4CS or a 2022 M4 Competition. The pricing between the two isn't a whole lot different and since finding a CS in my area has not been easy, I am hoping to get some opinions from those who have driven and been in both of these two M4s. The CS cars seem to hold their value a bit better as of today but who knows how that will go over the next few years.

Any input, especially in driving differences, would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you all in advance,

Tony

[alex2364]

Depends if you want the pig nose.

[WhiteFox]

2020 all the way the new G series is just bloated and having driven around the track just did not feel nimble but like an M5 around a track.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by TonyDC

Hi All,

First time posting as I am in the market for either a 2020 M4CS or a 2022 M4 Competition. The pricing between the two isn't a whole lot different and since finding a CS in my area has not been easy, I am hoping to get some opinions from those who have driven and been in both of these two M4s. The CS cars seem to hold their value a bit better as of today but who knows how that will go over the next few years.

Any input, especially in driving differences, would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you all in advance,

Tony

The CS gets confused with the "competition package" which may or may not be beneficial for you. Good if you are buying a CS at a normal F82 Comp price. So add "Competition" to your search. The CS is supposed to be a special car but when the CS was new, most people were not paying MSRP. It was significantly below MSRP. Back in 2019 I could lease an F82 M4 for the same monthly as a M4 CS...which I didn't take because you lose a lot of features like comfort access so I couldn't go down in terms of tech and luxury.

The G82 M4 solves some problems the F82 had. First was NVH. It's a much more refined car. Second was it's now able to put down the power and with AWD it's even better. The F82 has a problem putting the power down as you. This is just a normal issue when you have too much power and you don't have AWD. Same thing happens with the C63, spins the tire and difficult to launch. The G82 now launches in 2nd gear as part of it's launch control programming. Thirdly is that the crankhub is now a single piece so it gets rid of the fear of a spun crankhub (essentially timing gets messed up and theres a chance you'll bend your valves and have an expensive repair but most people don't end up with bent valves and just need to be retimed and get a new pinned crankhub).

Between the two the F82 is a more raw experience with more NVH. Suspension is harsher, the seat leather is harder than the G82, wind noise is louder, with a DCT you get those quirks of driving a manual like rolling on inclines and declines, no park gear so you're technically always in Neutral and the DCT delivers a much more aggressive launch experience than the G82 does. I only bring up DCT because the CS only comes in DCT (as far as I know). You also cannot drive a DCT like a normal car. You have to tap the gas to get rolling first before you can really put the power down or else you get a jerky sensation like if you dumped the clutch on a manual.

The G82 is a much more refined experience and is an evolution of the M4 and not a revolution. With the F82 came out, it was an evolution of the M3 as it introduced turbo chargers, CF strut brace, CF drive shaft, CFRP trunk lid, etc. The G82 cut some costs as it no longer has a CF Strut Brace or a CF Drive shaft.

I daily drive my F82 and on multiple occasions I wish the suspension and seat was more comfortable. Even in comfort mode it's still rough. I have every single option ticked on my F82 except Competition because that eliminates adjustable lumbar and at the time 99% of the time it came with 20 inch 666m wheels that would take forever to clean and would bend if your luck was terrible lol.

TLDR - Raw Experience get the F82. Refined Experience get the G82.

[NSX2M4]

As N1rve states, there are MANY comp or even non comp models that get repackaged from idiot dealers as a CS model. CS M4 will have, OEM OLED tail lights, M763 wheels, GTS hood with vent, carbon structure door cards, No center console, no comfort access, all black interior/ no other color options with M stipe on seat back, ect.

Ask yourself; Do you want the newest and best tech or would you prefer style over substance?
I see the F generation as a final curtain call before BMW started using bath salts in their design department so maybe it'll be a gem buying the F series but if you fancy new tech, G8X all the way.

[TonyDC]

Thank you all for the replies. My daily driver is a Tesla Model S so I am good with the raw car that the CS is as it will be so different from the Model S. A 2019 CS just popped up in Portland so I am hoping to take a look at it this week.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by TonyDC

Thank you all for the replies. My daily driver is a Tesla Model S so I am good with the raw car that the CS is as it will be so different from the Model S. A 2019 CS just popped up in Portland so I am hoping to take a look at it this week.

Good choice. The new car has serious moose knuckle bumper.

[zamboni]

2019 M4 CS has DCT and 2022 M4 ZCP had auto transmission, M4 CS is limited production beside it was the last vehicle approved by Albert Biermann.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by zamboni

2019 M4 CS has DCT and 2022 M4 ZCP had auto transmission, M4 CS is limited production beside it was the last vehicle approved by Albert Biermann.

Just buy a Hyundai Veloster N. I think he's heading the N division there last I heard.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by N1rve

Just buy a Hyundai Veloster N. I think he's heading the N division there last I heard.

He retired from Hyundai awhile back.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-from-hyundai/

[vrmac6]

I found the CS to be a confused but curious car. The ride is better than my competition, the engine seems slightly more refined, the steering is noticeably better but so many creature comforts were taken away. I suppose in isolation the CS is brilliant but from a comp owner perspective it’s just not right. Comparing the CS to the current m3/m4 is tough…. The current car will be further refined, faster and better in every objective way with every creature comfort u expect. I’d skip the CS and drive a 2020 low mileage high spec competition …. Then A G82.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by alex2364

He retired from Hyundai awhile back.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-from-hyundai/

Ah well...can't do anything about retirement.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by vrmac6

I found the CS to be a confused but curious car. The ride is better than my competition, the engine seems slightly more refined, the steering is noticeably better but so many creature comforts were taken away. I suppose in isolation the CS is brilliant but from a comp owner perspective it’s just not right. Comparing the CS to the current m3/m4 is tough…. The current car will be further refined, faster and better in every objective way with every creature comfort u expect. I’d skip the CS and drive a 2020 low mileage high spec competition …. Then A G82.

CS was always overrated.... people needed to find a way to justify the price. it's just a regular F8X with a pudgy steering wheel, fancy lights, hood, and wheels.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

CS was always overrated.... people needed to find a way to justify the price. it's just a regular F8X with a pudgy steering wheel, fancy lights, hood, and wheels.

Incorrect in my view. The CS is my 4th F8x car and it is a noticeably better machine. I didn't see much of a difference going from a non Comp F8x to a Comp F8x, but the CS difference is there and noticeable. It's how the car should have come orginally.

As for the question at hand, I purchased a G82 Comp brand new when they came out in 2021. I only had the car two months, it was a horribly ugly machine which has only got worse with age and the performance felt nearly identical to my Comp car. If you want to go fast in a straight line, the x drive is the only option for the G8x unless you want to tune a non x drive car. F8x with a DCT is fast than a manual G8x, and just a hair behind the G8x comp cars in straight line speed (not noticeable). X drive is what makes the difference, and those cars are seriously fast.

I wouldn't trade my CS for any G8x car. No matter how fast you can make a G8x, it will never outrun the ugly.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Incorrect in my view. The CS is my 4th F8x car and it is a noticeably better machine. I didn't see much of a difference going from a non Comp F8x to a Comp F8x, but the CS difference is there and noticeable. It's how the car should have come orginally.

As for the question at hand, I purchased a G82 Comp brand new when they came out in 2021. I only had the car two months, it was a horribly ugly machine which has only got worse with age and the performance felt nearly identical to my Comp car. If you want to go fast in a straight line, the x drive is the only option for the G8x unless you want to tune a non x drive car. F8x with a DCT is fast than a manual G8x, and just a hair behind the G8x comp cars in straight line speed (not noticeable). X drive is what makes the difference, and those cars are seriously fast.

I wouldn't trade my CS for any G8x car. No matter how fast you can make a G8x, it will never outrun the ugly.

For me, driving the CS back to back with a comp, the 30-40K premium was not there. Not a secret either or part of magic sauce. Does it have an edge, sure. How much edge is negligible.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Incorrect in my view. The CS is my 4th F8x car and it is a noticeably better machine. I didn't see much of a difference going from a non Comp F8x to a Comp F8x, but the CS difference is there and noticeable. It's how the car should have come orginally.

As for the question at hand, I purchased a G82 Comp brand new when they came out in 2021. I only had the car two months, it was a horribly ugly machine which has only got worse with age and the performance felt nearly identical to my Comp car. If you want to go fast in a straight line, the x drive is the only option for the G8x unless you want to tune a non x drive car. F8x with a DCT is fast than a manual G8x, and just a hair behind the G8x comp cars in straight line speed (not noticeable). X drive is what makes the difference, and those cars are seriously fast.

I wouldn't trade my CS for any G8x car. No matter how fast you can make a G8x, it will never outrun the ugly.

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

For me, driving the CS back to back with a comp, the 30-40K premium was not there. Not a secret either or part of magic sauce. Does it have an edge, sure. How much edge is negligible.

Other than mixing and matching some suspension parts, are there any other hardware differences between Comp and CS that make it drive better? I believe the only hardware difference between M4 Comp and M4 CS is the front sway bar on the CS is from the base M4. No other hardware differences as far as I’m aware. Everything else is tuning which can be coded.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

For me, driving the CS back to back with a comp, the 30-40K premium was not there. Not a secret either or part of magic sauce. Does it have an edge, sure. How much edge is negligible.

I wasn’t willing to pay any premium to lose luxury features that the base model… like an arm rest.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

For me, driving the CS back to back with a comp, the 30-40K premium was not there. Not a secret either or part of magic sauce. Does it have an edge, sure. How much edge is negligible.

Definitely agree with that, had to laugh at the brand new one I saw at the dealer for like $115k when I had my 18 Comp. As much as I loved my car at the time, I couldn't imagine anyone popping that kind of money for the car.

I think $15k for the differences are more in line.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

CS was always overrated.... people needed to find a way to justify the price. it's just a regular F8X with a pudgy steering wheel, fancy lights, hood, and wheels.

LoL.. The CS is actually UNDERRATED. Special parts alone would cost you 30k. Then labor spend to have them installed correctly. Then there is special software tuning on chassis,motor, suspension, differential and steering. Last week my bone stock 2018 CS hung nose to nose with an Aston Martin DBX707 with a twin turbo V8 from a 30 mph roll to 105.

P.S. Most of us paid only 15k over a Comp.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

LoL.. The CS is actually UNDERRATED. Special parts alone would cost you 30k. Then labor spend to have them installed correctly. Then there is special software tuning on chassis,motor, suspension, differential and steering. Last week my bone stock 2018 CS hung nose to nose with an Aston Martin DBX707 with a twin turbo V8 from a 30 mph roll to 105.

P.S. Most of us paid only 15k over a Comp.

Exactly, aside from a few parts it's just tuning. At the end of the day all of these cars are pimped out 3/4 series luxury vehicles anyway. Everyone can have an opinion and spend money how they wish. If they had interiors with colors I stated many times that one would probably be in my garage now.